[EM] IRV Participation clarification

2000-05-05 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
EM list-- When I said that someone who decides to show up vote, in an IRV (Alternative Vote) election, can make his last choice win thereby, when that wouldn't have happened had that voter stayed home, I mean that that can happen even if the voter votes sincerely. IRV fails Participation as you

Re: [EM] Participation SARC

2000-05-05 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Steve, you wrote (5 May 2000): The wording of the participation criterion by Herve Moulin (Axioms of Cooperative Decision Making, Cambridge University Press, 1988, p.239) refers to a single voter, not a group: Participation: Say that candidate a is elected from the set A by the

Re: [EM] Participation SARC

2000-05-05 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Steve had said: A criterion like SARC seems better than participation when the voters are sophisticated (and unconstrained by accountability, e.g., secret ballot), since it is unreasonable to compare only sincere voting and the abstention strategy when other strategies may be

Re: [EM] Probabilistic criteria. Participation no-show.

2000-05-05 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
I've only heard of one person advocating such a method, and he didn't have a proposal, only the suggestion that maybe a good method of that type could someday be found. Markus said-- I guess that you are talking about Albert Langer. But remember e.g. that Lucien Saumur promotes