RE: Open and Closed Lists (was ...STV for Candidate...)

2002-02-13 Thread Olli Salmi
At 05:51 +0200 12.2.2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can understand this only if you vote for parties you don't like. It ought to be possible with STV and the Hare quota if you have to indicate all possible preferences. D- The forced transfer of surpluses using STV is quite arbitrary -- related

Re: [EM] Comparing ranked versus unranked methods

2002-02-13 Thread Adam Tarr
Using d'Hondt's rule, this sort of offensive strategic manipulation by clever vote-splitting appears to be impossible... it seems obvious from playing with examples, although I'm having trouble coming up with a clean way to explain it. So, it looks like d'Hondt might be the better choice for

[EM] Hitler's secretary dies aged 81

2002-02-13 Thread DEMOREP1
A historical note -- since I have used Mr. H. in my anti- IRV examples. For younger folks --- about 55-60 million folks died in World War II thanks to Hitler in Germany and Hirohito in Japan-- both tyrant killers on the all time killer tyrants list. -

Re: [EM] Comparing ranked versus unranked methods

2002-02-13 Thread Forest Simmons
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Adam Tarr wrote: (Side note: I'm almost sure sequential and non-sequential PAV are equivalent if there is no overlap in the votes between various voting factions.) That's right! As I mentioned, in some cases a pecking order is actually desirable. Here's another

Re: Comparing ranked versus unranked methods

2002-02-13 Thread DEMOREP1
Adam wrote in part- In list PR, the candidate lists for parties have to be formed well in advance of the election. It would be very difficult for a party to foresee a specific voting breakdown, and split their party into two or more parties to take advantage of this. --- D - Any historical

Re: Finding the probable best candidate?

2002-02-13 Thread MIKE OSSIPOFF
Blake said: So the existence of candidates that are best for specific individuals proves that there are no absolute best candidates? I claim that toads don't exist. After all, you admit that frogs do exist. What more proof do you need? I reply: I must admit that I don't understand the