Re: [EM] CVD wants Alt.V to be fairer but it isn't: misleading website

2002-12-18 Thread Craig Carey
Here is a correction: At 02\12\18 18:41 +1300 Wednesday, Craig Carey wrote: ... Markus wrote (4 Feb 2002): In so far as IRV meets majority for solid coalitions and independence from clones, IRV can hardly be called erratic compared to primary with runoff. ... A better rule is

[EM] 12/18/02 - Re: Best method in use?

2002-12-18 Thread Donald E Davison
12/18/02 - Re: Best method in use? Hi Mike, Donald here, the best methods in use around the world today are as follows: Single-Seat elections: First Best - Alternative Vote aka Irving aka IRV: Second Best - Top Two Runoff (only valid for three candidates): Multi-Seat elections:

Re: [EM] CVD wants Alt.V to be fairer but it isn't: misleading website

2002-12-18 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Craig Carey, the concept of clones has been proposed by Tideman: T. Nicolaus Tideman, Independence of Clones as a Criterion for Voting Rules, SOCIAL CHOICE AND WELFARE, vol. 4, pp. 185-206, 1987. Markus Schulze For more information about this list (subscribe, unsubscribe,

Re: [EM] CVD wants Alt.V to be fairer but it isn't: misleading website

2002-12-18 Thread Craig Carey
At 02\12\18 12:27 +0200 Wednesday, Markus Schulze wrote: Dear Craig Carey, the concept of clones has been proposed by Tideman: T. Nicolaus Tideman, Independence of Clones as a Criterion for Voting Rules, SOCIAL CHOICE AND WELFARE, vol. 4, pp. 185-206, 1987. Markus Schulze Well, you

Re: [EM] CVD wants Alt.V to be fairer but it isn't: misleading website

2002-12-18 Thread Markus Schulze
Dear Craig Carey, you wrote (19 Dec 2002): Markus wrote (18 Dec 2002): The concept of clones has been proposed by Tideman: T. Nicolaus Tideman, Independence of Clones as a Criterion for Voting Rules, SOCIAL CHOICE AND WELFARE, vol. 4, pp. 185-206, 1987. What Mr Tideman wrote

Re: [EM] 12/13/02 - Giving `crutches to weak candidates':

2002-12-18 Thread Adam Tarr
Don Davison wrote: ... why are you supporting Condorcet and/or Approval Voting? For, this is what these two method do, they give `crutches to weak candidates'. Do you mean weak candidates like Centrist, below? 10% FarRightRightCentristLeftFarLeft 10% RightFarRightCentristLeftFarLeft 15%

Re: [EM] CVD wants Alt.V to be fairer but it isn't: misleading website

2002-12-18 Thread Craig Carey
At 02\12\18 16:12 +0200 Wednesday, Markus Schulze wrote: Dear Craig Carey, you wrote (19 Dec 2002): Markus wrote (18 Dec 2002): The concept of clones has been proposed by Tideman: T. Nicolaus Tideman, Independence of Clones as a Criterion for Voting Rules, SOCIAL CHOICE AND

Re: [EM] 12/13/02 - Giving `crutches to weak candidates':

2002-12-18 Thread Craig Carey
Great style of example and it pointedly reminds that the reformers that said the Alternative Vote fixed some vote splitting problem with First Past the Post were lying. E.g. the CVD top leaders certainly are recalled by us (Chessin, Dan and Rob, and others). To some extend the complaint about

Re: [EM] Kemeny's Rules = Condorcet's Method

2002-12-18 Thread Forest Simmons
As I understand it, Kemeny's Rule amounts to minimizing a certain metric on rankings, and that this minimization is an NP complete problem, making it intractable for elections with more than four or five voters when there are as few as twenty candidates. Forest On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, barnes99

Re: [EM] Correction. Big CS fault?

2002-12-18 Thread Forest Simmons
I took it for granted that favorite would also be among the approved on Majority Choice ballots, and that favorites would be determined from the rankings or ratings in the case of CR or ranked ballots. But I still think that CS as I proposed it suffers from a fault. If the race is perceived as

Re: [EM] Correction. Big CS fault?

2002-12-18 Thread Forest Simmons
Here's the version of Candidate Space (CS) that I like the best now: The ballots must have some way of determining favorite, so must have at least the expressivity of Majority Choice ballots. [The favorite on the expressive side of the ballot must have maximal positive instrumentality in the

[EM] Kemeny's Rules = Condorcet's Method

2002-12-18 Thread barnes99
Does anyone know who uses Kemeny's Rule, and if there is any freeware avaible which will handle that method? I think I can figure out a 3 candidate KR outcome with a matrix, but not any more than that. BTW, according a very good book I am now reading: Condorcet's maximal agreement method is