Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-15 Thread Samuel Wales
Hi Thorsten, The idea is to allow the option of keeping your notes in your agenda files, so that you can do everything Org does. If you only keep them in comments, you can't do searches, for example. To do this, you put an ID in the comments. Then you have a command that will take you to the

Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-14 Thread Bastien
Hi Thorsten, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: Some enlightment is welcome. Can't really help here... as I lost track of the exact problem you are trying to solve :) -- Bastien

Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-13 Thread Bastien
Hi Thorsten, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: But I will try to refactor the whole thing so that it becomes immaterial if orgstruct-mode or outline-minor-mode is used (I assume there are equivalents for 'outline-regexp' and 'outline-level' in orgstruct-mode). See

Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-13 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Bastien, Note that both your libraries (supporting some Org syntax in comments) are a perfect match for Christopher recent chance in master, which allows a more powerful orgstruct-mode in those files -- with folding etc. If you didn't, have a look: C-h

Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-13 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Bastien, But I will try to refactor the whole thing so that it becomes immaterial if orgstruct-mode or outline-minor-mode is used (I assume there are equivalents for 'outline-regexp' and 'outline-level' in orgstruct-mode). See `org-outline-regexp' and

Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-13 Thread Bastien
Hi Thorsten, Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: I'm not sure I fully understand this, but working with 'org-id' would definitely have been another option. Maybe even in combination with dynamic blocks? Instead of just supporting new special links in non-org buffers, maybe we can try

Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-12 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
François Pinard pin...@iro.umontreal.ca writes: Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: [about the nearly coincident publication of *outorg* and *poporg*] What a bad luck ... ;( Oh, I'm not much into authorship wars, you know, as long as the need gets covered. Free time being a scarce

Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-12 Thread François Pinard
Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: François Pinard pin...@iro.umontreal.ca writes: Keep happy! A bit discouraging, I must admit. Don't be! We need all the courage we can get! Keep going with 'poporg' and make it part of emacs/org-mode - and look at 'outorg' as a proof that there

Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-12 Thread Samuel Wales
This looks great. One suggestion: what about optionally allowing you to keep your Org notes in Org? That would allow all Org features. You'd do it by putting a specially-formatted Org ID in the comment, and then you have a key that bounces back and forth. ;;; $[id 123451243512345] Then in

Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-12 Thread Alan Schmitt
Thorsten Jolitz writes: 'outorg' is based on the idea that it would be nice to be able to 1. structure your source-code files like Org-mode files and use all the structure editing and navigation commands available. Does it mean it can superseed orgstruct-mode, or should one use both?

Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-12 Thread Bastien
Hi François and Thorsten, When great minds meet... ;) It's sometimes good to have two different implementations, ideas can flow from one to another. If you think one library is mature and useful enough for the contrib/ directory, please feel free to submit it! Note that both your libraries

Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-12 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Bastien, It's sometimes good to have two different implementations, ideas can flow from one to another. I agree ... besides that I did not have any intention to duplicate or compete, the Org-mode mailing list is just so busy that its hard to keep up. If

Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-12 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
Samuel Wales samolog...@gmail.com writes: One suggestion: what about optionally allowing you to keep your Org notes in Org? That would allow all Org features. You'd do it by putting a specially-formatted Org ID in the comment, and then you have a key that bounces back and forth. ;;;

Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-12 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
Alan Schmitt alan.schm...@polytechnique.org writes: 'outorg' is based on the idea that it would be nice to be able to 1. structure your source-code files like Org-mode files and use all the structure editing and navigation commands available. Does it mean it can superseed

Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-12 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
François Pinard pin...@iro.umontreal.ca writes: poporg has many flaws, and is surely not up to the quality of Org. Nevertheless, I much use it even if imperfect, while knowing it should be improved in many ways. same here on the outorg site, although I'm pretty sure its more alpha-stage.

Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-11 Thread François Pinard
Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: With 'outorg', you can stay in you favorite language's major-mode while programming, but with a real Org-mode 'look-and-feel', and rapidly switch to a temporary buffer in Org-mode for some comment editing. Exiting the temporary buffer then stores the

Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-11 Thread Thorsten Jolitz
François Pinard pin...@iro.umontreal.ca writes: Hi, Francois, Just from reading your description, outorg seems strangely similar to poporg (https://github.com/pinard/poporg), which I announced on this list maybe two weeks ago. I would presume you missed it? :-) I missed that completely, you

Re: [O] [ANN] outorg.el -- reverse Org-Babel

2013-02-11 Thread François Pinard
Thorsten Jolitz tjol...@gmail.com writes: [about the nearly coincident publication of *outorg* and *poporg*] What a bad luck ... ;( Oh, I'm not much into authorship wars, you know, as long as the need gets covered. Free time being a scarce resource (for me at least!), I prefer when we can all