Hi Matt,
Matt Lundin m...@imapmail.org writes:
On further investigation, I can see very easily how much this cleans up
the code. Sorry for the noise!
No problem!
Perhaps for the relevant functions (e.g., org-overview) we could
construct org-outline-regexp-bol from the a bound version of
Hi Bastien,
Bastien b...@altern.org writes:
Attached is a patch that replaces instances of outline-regexp
by org-outline-regexp. It also introduces more harmonization.
I'd be interesed in hearing about feedback.
What is the primary reason to use a hard-coded org-outline-regexp and
Matt Lundin m...@imapmail.org writes:
Bastien b...@altern.org writes:
Attached is a patch that replaces instances of outline-regexp
by org-outline-regexp. It also introduces more harmonization.
I'd be interesed in hearing about feedback.
What is the primary reason to use a hard-coded
Hi Carsten,
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes:
This confirms my intuition that the * should be hardcoded.
One argument against hardcoding would be that you can use org-cycle
in other modes, with outline-minor-mode, and I think a number of people
make use of this.
Yes, I
Hi Achim,
Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes:
Looks good, except that Git complains about two whitespace errors — but
that is easily taken care of by M-x delete-trailing-whitespace.
Thanks for confirming -- I've now applied the patch.
There is still some work to be done to completely
On 16.7.2011, at 12:31, Bastien wrote:
Hi Carsten,
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes:
Org-mocde has many syntax elements using many characters, and
any modification of the headline character would likely
lead to conflicts in other areas. So I do not recommend
even
Bastien b...@altern.org writes:
Attached is a patch that replaces instances of outline-regexp
by org-outline-regexp. It also introduces more harmonization.
So that's what you were doing all sunday... ;-)
I'd be interesed in hearing about feedback.
Looks good, except that Git complains
Hi,
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 18:29, Pieter Praet pie...@praet.org wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:21:01 +0200, Philipp Haselwarter
philipp.haselwar...@gmx.de wrote:
No need to go all flaming because someone thinks the looks of the
software matter. TBH I don't see what's wrong with that or in
On 7/17/11 10:08 AM, Aankhen wrote (in response to Pieter Prat):
What the OP is suggesting effectively nullifies the separation between
model and view in that it would allow changing Org-mode's outlining
markup at its very core, potentially leading to a wildgrowth of custom
markup formats
Pieter Praet pieter at praet.org writes:
What the OP is suggesting effectively nullifies the separation between
model and view ...
I'm sorry, but this is just plain wrong. The whole problem is that in
orgmode there is no real separation between model and view.
Any normal interactive
Attached is a patch that replaces instances of outline-regexp
by org-outline-regexp. It also introduces more harmonization.
I'd be interesed in hearing about feedback.
Thanks!
From 942c0ffbc04cef5a8158c274397b51284d944c43 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Bastien Guerry b...@altern.org
Date:
Carsten Dominik carsten.dominik at gmail.com writes:
BTW, this discussion has happened in the mailing list
before several times - a FAQ entry might indeed be
appropriate.
- Carsten
Let me apologize for having started the thread then.
Sincerely,
--
Harven
Hi Harven,
harven har...@free.fr writes:
I am assuming that the org files all start with a org- prefix. Am I
right ?
There are also ob-* files in recent version of Org.
I did a quick check and could not find references to outline-regexp
or org-outline-regexp in those files, but maybe ^\\*
Hi Achim,
Achim Gratz strom...@nexgo.de writes:
I don't know if having a regexp a compile-time
constant is advantageous in terms of performance.
I think it is.
In any case it would
be quite some effort to clean up all regexp to only use symbols.
Harven's question convinced me to
Hi Carsten,
Carsten Dominik carsten.domi...@gmail.com writes:
Org-mocde has many syntax elements using many characters, and
any modification of the headline character would likely
lead to conflicts in other areas. So I do not recommend
even trying to change this. Outline-mode is a general
Hi Nicolas,
Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com writes:
I do not disagree.
:)
My point is that it could be hard-coded in
a consistent way, i.e. all references to an headline could look for
`org-outline-regexp' instead of some custom string (even though it may
be shorter and easier to
Hi Harven,
harven har...@free.fr writes:
Let me apologize for having started the thread then.
Well, no one hurt!
It's sometimes a good things to try to rephrase old problems.
In this case it led me to have another perspective about this
issue, so thank *you* for starting it.
--
Bastien
On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 12:21:01 +0200, Philipp Haselwarter
philipp.haselwar...@gmx.de wrote:
No need to go all flaming because someone thinks the looks of the
software matter. TBH I don't see what's wrong with that or in what way
that's the opposite of efficiency.
What I considered wrong about
No need to go all flaming because someone thinks the looks of the
software matter. TBH I don't see what's wrong with that or in what way
that's the opposite of efficiency.
Abstracting the user interface from the logic is an important paradigm,
especially for something like org-mode that you want
Hi Harven,
I understand your point -- yes, from a purely theoretical point
of view, we should be able to use another character than * to
match headlines, because org-mode is derived from outline-mode.
If you can go through Org's code (or motivate someone to go thru the
code for you) and check
Philipp Haselwarter philipp.haselwar...@gmx.de writes:
No need to go all flaming
+1
Let's keep out hearts warm and our love of Orgmode mild. Let's not warm
our hearts so much that it starts an hell fire and burn our souls to
ashes.
I hold all 3 parties not entirely above reproach. Just my 2
Hello,
Philipp Haselwarter philipp.haselwar...@gmx.de writes:
Is there any particular reason for it to be hardcoded? Apart from the
fact that /well it just is this way right now/ I mean.
I don't know the truth here, but I'd guess it is about keeping Org
structure in ASCII. Org is about
Hi Philipp,
Philipp Haselwarter philipp.haselwar...@gmx.de writes:
Is there any particular reason for it to be hardcoded? Apart from the
fact that /well it just is this way right now/ I mean.
Nothing carved in stone, but here are the two reasons I see:
- we don't want users to use arbitrary
har...@free.fr writes:
Starting with emacs -Q (this is emacs 23.2 together with org-mode
6.33),
This version of Org is quite old -- for bug reports, we encourage
people to check against the latest version.
execute in the scratch buffer
(setq outline-regexp [•\f]+)
so as to use a bullet as
Hi all,
Pieter Praet pie...@praet.org writes:
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:32:18 +0200 (CEST), har...@free.fr wrote:
Please don't *insult* our devs by calling this useless BS a BUG,
let alone ask them to *waste* their precious time and skills on it.
Mhh, I don't think it was in any way insulting
Hi all,
I think this is a very reasonable and concise mail on the star topic
Nicolas wrote here.
If Bastien agrees to its assessment, I would suggest adding a link to it
to the FAQ item on the topic.
Memnon
Hi Nicolas,
Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com writes:
I think some parts of Org code use `outline-regexp', some others use
`org-outline-regexp' and some parts have it hard-coded.
For the sake of consistency, It would certainly be a good idea to
generalize the use of `org-outline-regexp'.
Hi Memnon,
Memnon Anon gegendosenflei...@googlemail.com writes:
If Bastien agrees to its assessment, I would suggest adding a link to it
to the FAQ item on the topic.
Please do. No matter if I 100% agree with its assessment or not,
as long as it is informative -- and it is informative :)
Hello,
Bastien b...@altern.org writes:
Nicolas Goaziou n.goaz...@gmail.com writes:
I think some parts of Org code use `outline-regexp', some others use
`org-outline-regexp' and some parts have it hard-coded.
For the sake of consistency, It would certainly be a good idea to
generalize the
Bastien b...@altern.org writes:
If you can go through Org's code (or motivate someone to go thru the
code for you) and check where the * is hardcoded instead of being
inherited from outline-mode that would help a lot, because I'm busy
with other changes I find more important right now.
Achim Gratz Stromeko at nexgo.de writes:
Bastien bzg at altern.org writes:
If you can go through Org's code (or motivate someone to go thru the
code for you) and check where the * is hardcoded instead of being
inherited from outline-mode that would help a lot, because I'm busy
with
harven harven at free.fr writes:
Achim Gratz Stromeko at nexgo.de writes:
Bastien bzg at altern.org writes:
If you can go through Org's code (or motivate someone to go thru the
code for you) and check where the * is hardcoded instead of being
inherited from outline-mode that
On 14.7.2011, at 20:01, Nick Dokos wrote:
har...@free.fr wrote:
b...@altern.org writes:
har...@free.fr writes:
(setq outline-regexp [-\f]+)
so as to use - as the headline starter character in outline mode.
Switch to another buffer, enter the text
- first heading
-- second
- Mail Original -
De: Bastien b...@altern.org
À: Darlan Cavalcante Moreira darc...@gmail.com
Cc: harven har...@free.fr, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Envoyé: Samedi 2 Juillet 2011 11h48:52 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne /
Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
Objet: Re: [O] how to change
har...@free.fr writes:
(setq outline-regexp [-\f]+)
so as to use - as the headline starter character in outline mode.
Switch to another buffer, enter the text
- first heading
-- second heading
some stuff here
Activate org-mode. M-x org-mode.
You should not do this. org-mode lists
b...@altern.org writes:
har...@free.fr writes:
(setq outline-regexp [-\f]+)
so as to use - as the headline starter character in outline mode.
Switch to another buffer, enter the text
- first heading
-- second heading
some stuff here
Activate org-mode. M-x org-mode.
har...@free.fr wrote:
b...@altern.org writes:
har...@free.fr writes:
(setq outline-regexp [-\f]+)
so as to use - as the headline starter character in outline mode.
Switch to another buffer, enter the text
- first heading
-- second heading
some stuff here
On Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:32:18 +0200 (CEST), har...@free.fr wrote:
b...@altern.org writes:
har...@free.fr writes:
(setq outline-regexp [-\f]+)
so as to use - as the headline starter character in outline mode.
Switch to another buffer, enter the text
- first heading
--
Bastien b...@altern.org writes:
har...@free.fr writes:
(setq outline-regexp [-\f]+)
so as to use - as the headline starter character in outline mode.
Switch to another buffer, enter the text
- first heading
-- second heading
some stuff here
Activate org-mode. M-x org-mode.
You
Hi Darlan,
Darlan Cavalcante Moreira darc...@gmail.com writes:
I don't think this is possible. The * as a headline starter seems to be
hard-coded in org.
I confirm this is not possible, it's hardcoded in outline-mode, and Org
is derived from this mode.
As this is a FAQ, I added an entry in
Hi,
is it possible to change the headline starter, for example from * to - ?
thanks,
--
Harven
I don't think this is possible. The * as a headline starter seems to be
hard-coded in org.
Also, - is used as a list starter (as well as other starters such as
+).
--
Darlan Cavalcante
At Sat, 11 Jun 2011 20:58:39 +0200,
harven har...@free.fr wrote:
Hi,
is it possible to change the
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