Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-25 Thread Thomas S. Dye
Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: Hi Jambunathan, I have made a decision not to merge org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt in to Orgmode core. It is a very difficult decision for me to take considering that I had put all my heart in to it. (Btw, this decision has nothing to with me

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-25 Thread Jambunathan K
I hope that you'll join me in expressing gratitude for all that they have contributed Ok. Done. Let bygones be bygones. What is important to me is that my work be available and used widely. All other concerns are secondary. I am on a sabbatical from work and I will be failing myself badly

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-25 Thread Thomas S. Dye
Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: I hope that you'll join me in expressing gratitude for all that they have contributed Ok. Done. Let bygones be bygones. What is important to me is that my work be available and used widely. All other concerns are secondary. I am on a

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-25 Thread Jambunathan K
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: Bastien has stepped in to big shoes and he has to measure up. Those shoes are so big that there is room for more than one guy. And I'm *really* glad I can rely on people like you, Carsten, Eric, Nicolas, David

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-25 Thread Bastien
Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: Bastien has stepped in to big shoes and he has to measure up. Those shoes are so big that there is room for more than one guy. And I'm *really* glad I can rely on people like you, Carsten, Eric, Nicolas, David and many others to help me wear them

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-25 Thread Jambunathan K
And I'm *really* glad I can rely on people like you, Carsten, Eric, Nicolas, David and many others to help me wear them :) Remove me from the list. I am a charlatan and I don't want to even pretend to be otherwise. Please stay on the list! I meant the list of people Bastien lined up not

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-25 Thread Matthew Sauer
To all, I would just like to, at this point, say that I am honored to have read this discussion. I was very worried that a major blowout was going to occur but you have shown me something that I appreciate about OSS, it not only attempts to make the world better through Freedom but it makes us

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Jambunathan K
Hi Jambunathan, I have made a decision not to merge org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt in to Orgmode core. It is a very difficult decision for me to take considering that I had put all my heart in to it. (Btw, this decision has nothing to with me not having enough time at hand.) As all, I'm

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Jambunathan K
It does seem that you are, for now, letting them be within org-mode (your other mail). But it would still help if you express your apprehensions and discuss them openly on this list. There is another mail that is on it's way. (Replies to Sebastien Vauban always appear longer time to appear in

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Jambunathan K
Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: It does seem that you are, for now, letting them be within org-mode (your other mail). But it would still help if you express your apprehensions and discuss them openly on this list. 1. I had a test.org file that I had created for testing the

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Bastien
Hi Jambunathan, I'm glad you decided to continue sharing your improvements to the Org=ODT exporter with the rest of the world. I suggest the merge of this exporter into Org's core goes through these steps: 1. Make sure there is no name clash on 8+3 systems. As per last git version of Org,

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Bastien
Hi Jambunathan, Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: Nothing I list is a serious error. But put everything together, I get a picture of a person who is holding the maintainership and falling seriously short of the role he is expected to play. If the overall Org community is sharing

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Jambunathan K
Bastien b...@altern.org writes: Hi Jambunathan, Jambunathan K kjambunat...@gmail.com writes: Nothing I list is a serious error. But put everything together, I get a picture of a person who is holding the maintainership and falling seriously short of the role he is expected to play. If

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Jambunathan K
I understand people can feel frustrated about things I don't have time to do, and I'm (silently) thankful to them that they don't get more mad at me. People wouldn't feel frustrated about things you don't have time to do but they will definitely get frustrated with things that you don't do

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Jambunathan K
Let me know what you think about my suggestion above. I will spawn a separate thread and let's strictly stick to that particular thread for all merge related discussions. I am not a professional programmer and I'm always willing to learn, so please bare with me. I would be the last person

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Štěpán Němec
On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 01:46:35 +0200 Jambunathan K. wrote: Hi Jambunathan, I have made a decision not to merge org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt in to Orgmode core. It is a very difficult decision for me to take considering that I had put all my heart in to it. (Btw, this decision has nothing to

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Jambunathan K
Please stay away from the discussion. [1] Another example of the Jambunathan style: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/42544/focus=42563 You are mixing stlye with intent. style != intent. Read that again. The intent of hte post is to prod him to post ONLY when he can afford to post.

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Jambunathan K
So frustrated is a dirty word for you? How about a conceited moron? Labels have no meanings. They are merely quick conveniences. (Does this remark make me a MORE CONCEITED MORON) Bastien might be an incompetent maintainer or programmer (in any case, you seem to be the first to make such

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Jambunathan K
We all need Zen slaps at various points in time. http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ZenSlap Hope it will soften your mood. Jambunathan K.

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Christian Moe
Hi all, I probably shouldn't butt into this, and I understand the technical issues too poorly to offer suggestions on merging. But as a grateful user, and and a semi-active participant on this list, I'd like to voice three concerns. 1. Org-mode maintained by someone able and happy to do it.

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Stefan Vollmar
Dear Christian, many thanks for your contribution - my sentiments exactly! Warm regards, Stefan On 24.08.2011, at 15:00, Christian Moe wrote: I probably shouldn't butt into this, and I understand the technical issues too poorly to offer suggestions on merging. But as a grateful user, and

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Matt Price
On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Christian Moe m...@christianmoe.com wrote: Hi all, I probably shouldn't butt into this, and I understand the technical issues too poorly to offer suggestions on merging. But as a grateful user, and and a semi-active participant on this list, I'd like to voice

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Rasmus
Nothing I list is a serious error. But put everything together, I get a picture of a person who is holding the maintainership and falling seriously short of the role he is expected to play. If the overall Org community is sharing your view, and if someone if willing to step up as a

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Nick Dokos
Please, all, take a step back and take a deep breath. There are always frustrations and there are different ways of dealing with them. But we have to keep the larger goal in mind: whether I like or hate Bastien's maintainership or Jambunathan K.s code or email style is *completely irrelevant*.

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Allen S. Rout
On 08/24/2011 06:55 AM, Štěpán Němec wrote: I find it quite surprising that people on this list, including Bastien, are even willing to reply to the dirt you're spitting up. Jambunathan is abrupt and speaks without much concern for the feelings of the recipients of his messages. He has

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Štěpán Němec
[As most people here apparently consider Jambunathan's communication style acceptable, there is little point for me to continue replying in this thread, but I really couldn't resist in this case, sorry.] On Wed, 24 Aug 2011 19:30:54 +0200 Allen S. Rout wrote: Jambunathan is abrupt and speaks

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Nick Dokos
Štěpán Němec step...@gmail.com wrote: [As most people here apparently consider Jambunathan's communication style acceptable, there is little point for me to continue replying in this thread, but I really couldn't resist in this case, sorry.] That is what *you* read into it: as long as we

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-24 Thread Vikas Rawal
Please, all, take a step back and take a deep breath. +1. Now that various people have given vent to their feelings (and I hope others have managed to swallow what they did not like), let us just move on. May I suggest: go watch a film, grab a beer, or simply sit down and code. Do whatever

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-23 Thread Jambunathan K
Detlef Will you take care of org-odt working in orgmode for the foreseeable future or don`t you care about orgmode anymore? I pushed a commit just a few minutes ago. So things are back to normal. Jambunathan K.

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-23 Thread Jambunathan K
I personally would really like to see important contribution such as yours become more and more integrated into the 'standard' Org ditribution - and not pushed further away. Precisely my point. Bastien's idea of merge is to make it into a long drawn affair. I disagree. Jambunathan K. --

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-23 Thread Vikas Rawal
Precisely my point. Bastien's idea of merge is to make it into a long drawn affair. I disagree. It would help if you or Bastien could explain what is going on. As is clear, everyone is hoping that the issues will be resolved and your valuable contributions will remain a part of org-mode. It

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-22 Thread Vikas Rawal
I have made a decision not to merge org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt in to Orgmode core. It is a very difficult decision for me to take considering that I had put all my heart in to it. (Btw, this decision has nothing to with me not having enough time at hand.) This comes as a surprise. Did I

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-22 Thread Detlef Steuer
Hi! First of all thanks for your efforts. I just started to rely on org-odt and am a little bit puzzled by your decision. Will you take care of org-odt working in orgmode for the foreseeable future or don`t you care about orgmode anymore? Just to be clear: It`s of course totally your

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-22 Thread Sebastien Vauban
Hi Jambunathan, I have made a decision not to merge org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt in to Orgmode core. It is a very difficult decision for me to take considering that I had put all my heart in to it. (Btw, this decision has nothing to with me not having enough time at hand.) As all, I'm

Re: [O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-22 Thread Thomas Renkert
I have made a decision not to merge org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt in to Orgmode core. It is a very difficult decision for me to take considering that I had put all my heart in to it. (Btw, this decision has nothing to with me not having enough time at hand.) I leave it up to the

[O] Not merging org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt to the core

2011-08-21 Thread Jambunathan K
Bastien I have made a decision not to merge org-lparse, org-xhtml org-odt in to Orgmode core. It is a very difficult decision for me to take considering that I had put all my heart in to it. (Btw, this decision has nothing to with me not having enough time at hand.) I leave it up to the