Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
2011/4/25 Sébastien Vauban wxhgmqzgw...@spammotel.com: Hi John, John Hendy wrote: Sebastien: my other questions re. how to interpret the code and inserting proper linebreaks are still of interest! Sorry, just came back today after a 2-week holiday. Given the number of posts I have to read, could you tell me if all your questions have been answered and, if not, provide a minimal, but problematic, example of yours? Thanks for following up and hope your holiday was nice. I think everything pretty much got taken care of. I'm still not quite sure what I'll end up siding with, todonotes or regular 'ol inline tasks. Footnotes also got suggested, but I don't like their placement as much. Todonotes don't break lines for longer notes but I think they look very cool (though some here say cool is out, apparently :) ). Sooo, I think it'll come down to todonotes inserted throughout or just regular inline tasks. Inline tasks seems to be essentially perfect -- easy to turn them on/off for export by tagging them as one makes them and then replacing the tag with export/no-export, one can add attributes to them since they're headlines, etc. Very cool and I appreciate all the help and ideas this thread generated! Best regards, John Best regards, Seb -- Sébastien Vauban
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
Hi John, John Hendy wrote: Sebastien: my other questions re. how to interpret the code and inserting proper linebreaks are still of interest! Sorry, just came back today after a 2-week holiday. Given the number of posts I have to read, could you tell me if all your questions have been answered and, if not, provide a minimal, but problematic, example of yours? Best regards, Seb -- Sébastien Vauban
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
Rasmus rasmus.p...@gmail.com writes:
It is cool but doesn't play well with margins, as you have seen. I've
given up on cool and use the following instead:
I agree on the cool not being cool. However, I do wonder why you would
want to use /ordinary/ footnotes rather than something easily removable
such as fixmenotes, e.g. \fxnote[footnote]. The great thing is they are
removed in the `final' print (i.e. when `draft' is not specified).
Sure, this would be a good thing for many to use. I don't require this
because the documents I create have (or should have) no footnotes in the
final version so any footnotes that are present are things I have to
deal with! But thanks for pointing me to this alternative.
- Some of my notes are multi paragraphs, which I prefer non-indented
and separated by a line break rather than no line break and indented.
But when exported, multiple paragraphs just stack up with no line
break. Can I add this to your format?
I use the following for empty lines. It is quite easy to adopt it
document wide and probably even inside certain environments.
\newcommand*{\tomlinje}[0]{\\[\baselineskip] \setlength{\parskip}{0pt}}
I didn't get whether you are asking for footnotes specifically, but if
this is the case you might be able to play around with
\setlength{\footparindent}{} and friends?
Will do. Did not know about \footparindent and my searches did not find
any reference to such! Thanks.
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Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
It is cool but doesn't play well with margins, as you have seen. I've
given up on cool and use the following instead:
I agree on the cool not being cool. However, I do wonder why you would
want to use /ordinary/ footnotes rather than something easily removable
such as fixmenotes, e.g. \fxnote[footnote]. The great thing is they are
removed in the `final' print (i.e. when `draft' is not specified).
- Some of my notes are multi paragraphs, which I prefer non-indented
and separated by a line break rather than no line break and indented.
But when exported, multiple paragraphs just stack up with no line
break. Can I add this to your format?
I use the following for empty lines. It is quite easy to adopt it
document wide and probably even inside certain environments.
\newcommand*{\tomlinje}[0]{\\[\baselineskip] \setlength{\parskip}{0pt}}
I didn't get whether you are asking for footnotes specifically, but if
this is the case you might be able to play around with
\setlength{\footparindent}{} and friends?
Cheers,
Rasmus
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Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
Hello,
John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com writes:
,---
| (latex \\todo[inline]{\\textbf{\\textsf{%s %s}}\\linebreak{} %s}
|'((unless (eq todo )
|(format \\textsc{%s%s} todo priority))
| heading content))
`---
A couple questions:
- would you be able to even broadly tell me what the latex chunk is
doing there? Is %s like the %s in python (and perhaps other
programming languages)? I don't get where the third %s gets its value.
In other words, it seems that one of them is the heading value and
another is the content... but what does the third %s get it's value in
the first line?
First %s will be replaced by the result of '((unless (eq todo ) ...)).
In other words, it will be the empty string or \\textsc{todo-keyword
priority}. Second %s is the heading text. Third one is the contents of
the inline task.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
Yes, you're right. You need the todonotes package. This is standard in my
private class, reason why I forgot about this link.
Go and add it, you'll love it!
Holy cow. I kind of ignored this as I didn't know what it did, then
checked out todonotes and was blown away. This is amazing.
,---
| (latex \\todo[inline]{\\textbf{\\textsf{%s %s}}\\linebreak{} %s}
|'((unless (eq todo )
|(format \\textsc{%s%s} todo priority))
| heading content))
`---
A couple questions:
- would you be able to even broadly tell me what the latex chunk is
doing there? Is %s like the %s in python (and perhaps other
programming languages)? I don't get where the third %s gets its value.
In other words, it seems that one of them is the heading value and
another is the content... but what does the third %s get it's value in
the first line?
--- Side note... maybe time for me to learn elisp?
- I looked at the package and example and rather liked the side-page
type for small little notes. So cool. But, alas, removing the
'[inline]' gave me undefined control sequence errors. When I ran it
from the .tex file directly, it kind of worked, but my little box was
really smushed and off the page. I'm guessing that my desire for
narrower page margins isn't helping (I have geometry setting hmargins
to 2cm)?
- Some of my notes are multi paragraphs, which I prefer non-indented
and separated by a line break rather than no line break and indented.
But when exported, multiple paragraphs just stack up with no line
break. Can I add this to your format?
Thanks again! What a neat package!
John
Best regards,
Seb
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Sébastien Vauban
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
2011/4/12 John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com:
Yes, you're right. You need the todonotes package. This is standard in my
private class, reason why I forgot about this link.
Go and add it, you'll love it!
Holy cow. I kind of ignored this as I didn't know what it did, then
checked out todonotes and was blown away. This is amazing.
,---
| (latex \\todo[inline]{\\textbf{\\textsf{%s %s}}\\linebreak{} %s}
| '((unless (eq todo )
| (format \\textsc{%s%s} todo priority))
| heading content))
`---
A couple questions:
- would you be able to even broadly tell me what the latex chunk is
doing there? Is %s like the %s in python (and perhaps other
programming languages)? I don't get where the third %s gets its value.
In other words, it seems that one of them is the heading value and
another is the content... but what does the third %s get it's value in
the first line?
--- Side note... maybe time for me to learn elisp?
- I looked at the package and example and rather liked the side-page
type for small little notes. So cool. But, alas, removing the
'[inline]' gave me undefined control sequence errors. When I ran it
from the .tex file directly, it kind of worked, but my little box was
really smushed and off the page. I'm guessing that my desire for
narrower page margins isn't helping (I have geometry setting hmargins
to 2cm)?
Confirmed: this does not play nicely with geometry. It's like the
package shifts things away from where tikz expects the text to be. As
I narrow the margins more and more, the lines that used to underline
the text stay the same length and just get farther and farther away
from actually underlining the text. Perhaps I'll just stick to inline
notes unless there's some way to tell todonotes the margin size?
- Some of my notes are multi paragraphs, which I prefer non-indented
and separated by a line break rather than no line break and indented.
But when exported, multiple paragraphs just stack up with no line
break. Can I add this to your format?
Thanks again! What a neat package!
John
Best regards,
Seb
--
Sébastien Vauban
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
2011/4/12 John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com:
2011/4/12 John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com:
Yes, you're right. You need the todonotes package. This is standard in my
private class, reason why I forgot about this link.
Go and add it, you'll love it!
Holy cow. I kind of ignored this as I didn't know what it did, then
checked out todonotes and was blown away. This is amazing.
,---
| (latex \\todo[inline]{\\textbf{\\textsf{%s %s}}\\linebreak{} %s}
| '((unless (eq todo )
| (format \\textsc{%s%s} todo priority))
| heading content))
`---
A couple questions:
- would you be able to even broadly tell me what the latex chunk is
doing there? Is %s like the %s in python (and perhaps other
programming languages)? I don't get where the third %s gets its value.
In other words, it seems that one of them is the heading value and
another is the content... but what does the third %s get it's value in
the first line?
--- Side note... maybe time for me to learn elisp?
- I looked at the package and example and rather liked the side-page
type for small little notes. So cool. But, alas, removing the
'[inline]' gave me undefined control sequence errors. When I ran it
from the .tex file directly, it kind of worked, but my little box was
really smushed and off the page. I'm guessing that my desire for
narrower page margins isn't helping (I have geometry setting hmargins
to 2cm)?
Confirmed: this does not play nicely with geometry. It's like the
package shifts things away from where tikz expects the text to be. As
I narrow the margins more and more, the lines that used to underline
the text stay the same length and just get farther and farther away
from actually underlining the text. Perhaps I'll just stick to inline
notes unless there's some way to tell todonotes the margin size?
Sorry for the whiplash. This is *not* actually the case. todonotes
plays fine with geometry, but since I was exporting directly from the
.tex file, I needed to run pdflatex a few times until the lines
re-found their home. Org-export must re-run a few times and take care
of that. In any case, for future reference, this helps (I have this in
my setupfile):
,---
| #+latex_header: \usepackage[text width=Xcm]{todonotes}
`---
This might be obvious to some (and is, now, to me since I realize it's
using TikZ options), but I thought I'd add it for later-googlers'
sakes. You can specify a width for the box to be exported and tailor
it to your margins. Obviously, if your margins are narrower than your
longest word, it won't work, regardless, and the text will spill over
the todonote box.
Also, I found a pretty cool post (here:
http://jcl.posterous.com/latex-todonotes-and-margins) on temporarily
making the page and margins bigger to accommodate the notes. For those
using this just for notes, perhaps this isn't favorable if you want to
print. But for pure markup... it's a pretty neat workaround -- just
make your page as big as you need and add notes to your heart's
content.
I'll probably just stick to inline notes, but one other option is to
shift the text to one side, for example like so:
,---
| #+LATEX_HEADER: \usepackage[left=1.5cm, right=3.5cm,vmargin=2.5cm]{geometry}
`---
So this gives you the equivalent of 2 x 2.5cm margins, but shifts it
to one side so you can put notes on the right.
Hope this helps someone down the road.
Sebastien: my other questions re. how to interpret the code and
inserting proper linebreaks are still of interest!
Thanks!
John
- Some of my notes are multi paragraphs, which I prefer non-indented
and separated by a line break rather than no line break and indented.
But when exported, multiple paragraphs just stack up with no line
break. Can I add this to your format?
Thanks again! What a neat package!
John
Best regards,
Seb
--
Sébastien Vauban
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com writes:
[...]
- I looked at the package and example and rather liked the side-page
type for small little notes. So cool. But, alas, removing the
'[inline]' gave me undefined control sequence errors. When I ran it
from the .tex file directly, it kind of worked, but my little box was
really smushed and off the page. I'm guessing that my desire for
narrower page margins isn't helping (I have geometry setting hmargins
to 2cm)?
It is cool but doesn't play well with margins, as you have seen. I've
given up on cool and use the following instead:
--8---cut here---start-8---
(latex %s\\footnote{%s %s}\\marginpar{\\fbox{\\thefootnote}}
'((unless
(eq todo )
(format
\\fbox{\\textsc{%s%s}} todo priority))
heading content))
--8---cut here---end---8---
- Some of my notes are multi paragraphs, which I prefer non-indented
and separated by a line break rather than no line break and indented.
But when exported, multiple paragraphs just stack up with no line
break. Can I add this to your format?
Yes, this is a problem with latex and not org. It is very difficult
(read: I have never managed to figure out how to do it ;-) to control
the parskip and parsep aspects of paragraphs in a footnote. The
=endnotes= package should allow you to control the behaviour more but
even there I have not been entirely successful (I can get it to listen
to parskip but not parident settings).
--
: Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.0.50.1
: using Org-mode version 7.5 (release_7.5.176.g2c8e9)
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com writes:
[...]
- I looked at the package and example and rather liked the side-page
type for small little notes. So cool. But, alas, removing the
'[inline]' gave me undefined control sequence errors. When I ran it
from the .tex file directly, it kind of worked, but my little box was
really smushed and off the page. I'm guessing that my desire for
narrower page margins isn't helping (I have geometry setting hmargins
to 2cm)?
It is cool but doesn't play well with margins, as you have seen. I've
given up on cool and use the following instead:
But... it's... so... cool!
--8---cut here---start-8---
(latex %s\\footnote{%s %s}\\marginpar{\\fbox{\\thefootnote}}
'((unless
(eq todo )
(format
\\fbox{\\textsc{%s%s}} todo priority))
heading content))
--8---cut here---end---8---
I'm so-so on this. Not sure I like the idea of jumping back and forth
as well as adding my own footnotes to mingle with the real
footnotes. Very cool look with the box, though. I see the appeal.
- Some of my notes are multi paragraphs, which I prefer non-indented
and separated by a line break rather than no line break and indented.
But when exported, multiple paragraphs just stack up with no line
break. Can I add this to your format?
Yes, this is a problem with latex and not org. It is very difficult
(read: I have never managed to figure out how to do it ;-) to control
the parskip and parsep aspects of paragraphs in a footnote. The
=endnotes= package should allow you to control the behaviour more but
even there I have not been entirely successful (I can get it to listen
to parskip but not parident settings).
Yes -- todonote doesn't seem to like this stuff much. Not pretty, but
this works:
-
*** Notes
\linebreak
\begin{tabular}{l|p{0.9\textwidth}}
\quad
Quote something with a nice line \\
\end{tabular} \linebreak
Say something about it. \linebreak
Some more stuff.
*** END
-
I suppose manually entering linebreaks isn't sooo horrible... I can
get that first linebreak with this:
-
(latex \\todo[inline,color=blue!20]{\\textbf{\\textsf{%s
%s}}\\linebreak{} \\linebreak \\linebreak %s}
'((unless (eq todo )
(format \\textsc{%s%s} todo priority))
heading content))
-
We'll see what I end up with. I think I'll stick with todonotes for
now. It's neat and pretty :)
John
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: using Org-mode version 7.5 (release_7.5.176.g2c8e9)
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com writes:
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Eric S Fraga e.fr...@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com writes:
[...]
I like formats like this as well and have been cheating to do this
in LaTeX more or less like this:
#+attr_latex: align=l|p{0.95\textwidth}
| \,| The text that I want quoted, which ends up looking good but
needs to be on one insanely long line of an org-mode table|
Is there a better way to send a quote into the table form (indented
with a nice vertical line to the left) but not need to have the quote
on one huge line of an actual table (from org - LaTeX, that is...
obviously the above works if using html)?
[...]
I should have googled harder. Where were you all my life, StackOverflow?[1]
-
\begin{tabular}{l|p{0.9\textwidth}}
\quad
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Morbi id
hendrerit
But isn't this the same solution you had before? You still end up with
a very long line in the org file?
--
: Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.0.50.1
: using Org-mode version 7.5 (release_7.5.142.g4168)
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
I like formats like this as well and have been cheating to do this
in LaTeX more or less like this:
#+attr_latex: align=l|p{0.95\textwidth}
| \,| The text that I want quoted, which ends up looking good but
needs to be on one insanely long line of an org-mode table|
Is there a better way to send a quote into the table form (indented
with a nice vertical line to the left) but not need to have the quote
on one huge line of an actual table (from org - LaTeX, that is...
obviously the above works if using html)?
[...]
I should have googled harder. Where were you all my life, StackOverflow?[1]
-
\begin{tabular}{l|p{0.9\textwidth}}
\quad
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Morbi id
hendrerit
But isn't this the same solution you had before? You still end up with
a very long line in the org file?
Unless:
1) your tabular env is required to be on one continuous line, or
2) You know how to split an org-table into multiple lines
No, they are different. I'm not sure if I was explicit about the
above, but I'm inserting that native LaTeX code into the org file;
that's not post-export. That's just how I dump it... so I get a couple
lines of tabular setup and then my whole quote can rest in one
paragraph with fill mode line wrapping. With the org table it was off
the page with fill mode.
The other source of confusion might have been whether or not we both
use fill mode. I do, but think if I didn't, perhaps the org-table
would wrap for me?
Does that make things any clearer?
John
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Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com writes:
[...]
I like formats like this as well and have been cheating to do this
in LaTeX more or less like this:
#+attr_latex: align=l|p{0.95\textwidth}
| \,| The text that I want quoted, which ends up looking good but
needs to be on one insanely long line of an org-mode table|
Is there a better way to send a quote into the table form (indented
with a nice vertical line to the left) but not need to have the quote
on one huge line of an actual table (from org - LaTeX, that is...
obviously the above works if using html)?
You could use the =changebar= style in latex and then enclose the text
you want highlighted in a double environment combining changebar and quote:
--8---cut here---start-8---
\begin{quote}
\begin{changebar}
... text goes here ...
\end{changebar}
\end{quote}
--8---cut here---end---8---
Not tested. You may want =quotation= instead of =quote=.
Not quite what you want but similar in concept... ;-)
--
: Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 24.0.50.1
: using Org-mode version 7.5 (release_7.5.142.g4168)
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
2011/4/5 Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com: Hi John, Interesting use case, I definitely see the utility. I think that blocks may be an appropriate solution, for example if you enclose your notes in notes blocks, then it should be easy to control whether or not they are exported... Definitely a candidate! Of all things, I had not thought about using blocks for this. Using the following code, you can control whether notes enclosed in notes blcks will be exported by changing the value of the *export-my-notes* variable, when it is nil your notes will not be exported, when t they will be exported as quoted text. #+begin_src emacs-lisp (defvar *export-my-notes* nil) (defun org-exp-block-process-notes (body rest headers) (if *export-my-notes* (format \n#+begin_quote\n%s\n#+end_quote\n body) )) (org-export-blocks-add-block '(notes org-exp-block-process-notes nil)) #+end_src So, do I put my notes between the end of the (defun org-exp...) and (org-export-blocks...)? Hope this Helps -- Eric This works for me with the attached Org-mode file. I'm assuming I need to add your code above to the attached? As-is, it export, but it just puts your Notes on lorem in between the two paragraphs. Thanks for the suggestion! John John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com writes: Hi, One thing I really like to use orgmode for is research. Lately, there's a mass of stuff on-line that I've been reading though and am about to start reading through a series of articles and had the idea to yank them into org for inline notes. My current experiment has been: - wget the website page - run a custom script of simple sed stuff to get the major stuff converted (i /i - /, quote; - , etc.) - turn things into headlines where applicable - manually tweak the rest What I'd like to do is find some way to take notes in the article and would like some suggestions from anyone who's done this. On one hand, I see the idea of keeping a separate headline for notes, and for a series of articles, my file might look like this: ,--- | * Article 1 | ** Notes on article 1 | * Article 2 | ** Notes on article 2 `--- One advantage to this is that I could very easily add :noexport: to my notes and print off a hard copy of the article if I want it, and it would also be easy to tag my notes :notes: and then replace-string to turn the Article :export: into :noexport: and :notes: into :export:. Then I'd have an easy to print copy of my notes for each article. On the other hand, I like quoting when I use notes, and could see it as advantageous to have something like: ,--- | * Article 1 | It goes along and says x, y, and z. | --- Me: that's interesting and here are my thoughts. | | It continues along saying all kinds of other things and my comments are interjected whenever I want. `--- I think that might be more useful for studying things later, as I get to see an annotated version with my thoughts at the time I read it. What it *doesn't* allow for is the easy printing of both the article and the notes separately if I want. Would someone suggest a way that I might be able to have the best of both worlds? Some of my own not-at-all-hashed-out-ideas included: - using footnotes since org has easy ways to jump from one to another, but this would be tough when it came to actual footnotes, which there will definitely be plenty of. - highlighting the text I want to quote and then using refile somehow to send it off to my notes section with my comments. This would be cool if I could, at the same time, add an org-mode link to and from the notes and original section, but also if I could turn that link off when I export to PDF so I don't have hypertext to a non-existent link if I don't export my notes as well. Part of the reason that keeping notes/article separate is that I have others interested in the articles and, if I need to send them a copy, I want to get my junk out of there and have the original. I suppose I could just keep two copies, though? I think this idea could be useful to others and actually wouldn't doubt if someone has an awesome setup for something like this already. Thanks for any suggestions! John -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Erik Iverson er...@ccbr.umn.edu wrote: If you export to HTML, you should be able to export your notes with a CSS class to style your notes as differently from the text as you like. Great idea. Unfortunately, I'm almost entirely a LaTeX - PDF guy. Though, if I ever wanted blog interaction, I definitely might look into this more, though I'm usually just needing pretty bland html code for blogger at that point. One question... if I were to do this, how would I signal that a certain portion of the text (my notes) should get a different css applied to them than the rest of the document that they are interspersed into? Would I have some sort of div tag wherever I have notes? Thanks, John On 04/05/2011 10:32 PM, Eric Schulte wrote: Hi John, Interesting use case, I definitely see the utility. I think that blocks may be an appropriate solution, for example if you enclose your notes in notes blocks, then it should be easy to control whether or not they are exported... Using the following code, you can control whether notes enclosed in notes blcks will be exported by changing the value of the *export-my-notes* variable, when it is nil your notes will not be exported, when t they will be exported as quoted text. #+begin_src emacs-lisp (defvar *export-my-notes* nil) (defun org-exp-block-process-notes (bodyrest headers) (if *export-my-notes* (format \n#+begin_quote\n%s\n#+end_quote\n body) )) (org-export-blocks-add-block '(notes org-exp-block-process-notes nil)) #+end_src Hope this Helps -- Eric This works for me with the attached Org-mode file. John Hendyjw.he...@gmail.com writes: Hi, One thing I really like to use orgmode for is research. Lately, there's a mass of stuff on-line that I've been reading though and am about to start reading through a series of articles and had the idea to yank them into org for inline notes. My current experiment has been: - wget the website page - run a custom script of simple sed stuff to get the major stuff converted (i /i - /,quote; - , etc.) - turn things into headlines where applicable - manually tweak the rest What I'd like to do is find some way to take notes in the article and would like some suggestions from anyone who's done this. On one hand, I see the idea of keeping a separate headline for notes, and for a series of articles, my file might look like this: ,--- | * Article 1 | ** Notes on article 1 | * Article 2 | ** Notes on article 2 `--- One advantage to this is that I could very easily add :noexport: to my notes and print off a hard copy of the article if I want it, and it would also be easy to tag my notes :notes: and then replace-string to turn the Article :export: into :noexport: and :notes: into :export:. Then I'd have an easy to print copy of my notes for each article. On the other hand, I like quoting when I use notes, and could see it as advantageous to have something like: ,--- | * Article 1 | It goes along and says x, y, and z. | --- Me: that's interesting and here are my thoughts. | | It continues along saying all kinds of other things and my comments are interjected whenever I want. `--- I think that might be more useful for studying things later, as I get to see an annotated version with my thoughts at the time I read it. What it *doesn't* allow for is the easy printing of both the article and the notes separately if I want. Would someone suggest a way that I might be able to have the best of both worlds? Some of my own not-at-all-hashed-out-ideas included: - using footnotes since org has easy ways to jump from one to another, but this would be tough when it came to actual footnotes, which there will definitely be plenty of. - highlighting the text I want to quote and then using refile somehow to send it off to my notes section with my comments. This would be cool if I could, at the same time, add an org-mode link to and from the notes and original section, but also if I could turn that link off when I export to PDF so I don't have hypertext to a non-existent link if I don't export my notes as well. Part of the reason that keeping notes/article separate is that I have others interested in the articles and, if I need to send them a copy, I want to get my junk out of there and have the original. I suppose I could just keep two copies, though? I think this idea could be useful to others and actually wouldn't doubt if someone has an awesome setup for something like this already. Thanks for any suggestions! John
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Eric Schulte schulte.e...@gmail.com wrote:
Erik Iverson er...@ccbr.umn.edu writes:
If you export to HTML, you should be able to export your notes with a
CSS class to style your notes as differently from the text as you
like.
I like the following for offsetting quotes, may work well for notes...
#+begin_src css
blockquote {
border-left: 1px solid gray;
padding-left: 4px; }
#+end_src
I like formats like this as well and have been cheating to do this
in LaTeX more or less like this:
#+attr_latex: align=l|p{0.95\textwidth}
| \,| The text that I want quoted, which ends up looking good but
needs to be on one insanely long line of an org-mode table|
Is there a better way to send a quote into the table form (indented
with a nice vertical line to the left) but not need to have the quote
on one huge line of an actual table (from org - LaTeX, that is...
obviously the above works if using html)?
John
--
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Jeff Horn jrhorn...@gmail.com wrote: Have you tried using org-inline-task without a TODO keyword? These super-deep headlines aren't treated as headlines, so they don't break doc structure, but they are foldable, and unlike COMMENT keyword headlines, they're printable. The only problem I've run into is have a lot to say in an inline note. In that case, one could just insert plaintext between the pseudo-headings of the inline note (try it to see what I mean). I haven't tried printing these long notes, but I imagine it would work. Yeah, this might be the ticket. Really liking it so far. I see your point about exporting long-ish comments, and I will definitely have those. It looks pretty darn good to me, though. One thing I'm not sure of is how to perhaps format them differently depending on if I want just the notes, or if I want inline comments. Inline comments already look pretty good, and I can do something like this: ,- | *** Notes | Here's some notes just want to see how this looks. Here's some notes just want to see | how this looks. | | Here's some notes just want to see how this looks. Here's some notes just want to see | how this looks. | *** END `- Then on export I get a nice bold *Notes* followed by my notes: ,--- | *Notes* Here's some notes just want to see how this looks... | \linebreak is here | Here's some notes just want to see how this looks... `- If I add :export: to that Notes headline (and all of them), then it breaks them up a bit: ,- | *Notes* | \linebreak is here | Here's some notes just want to see how this looks... | \linebreak is here | Here's some notes just want to see how this looks... `- So... if I were just interested in my notes (say I wanted to just push the notes to my blog or share them without all the other text), it might get odd to see all of those headlines. Can one export just the text and hide the headline text altogether? And would this also create the appearance of simply paragraphs one after the other, or would there be some increased spacing between different chunks? Lastly, it would be fantastic to have a toggle on the style used for export of these. I would love to be able to have the inline notes perhaps indented a little bit, but when exporting them alone, to turn that off. That's a lot of requests! I think as-is, I could already make this work pretty darn well. I was aware of these, but was thinking they were just for tasks and headlines, not able to contain text. Thanks for the suggestion! John On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:02 PM, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, One thing I really like to use orgmode for is research. Lately, there's a mass of stuff on-line that I've been reading though and am about to start reading through a series of articles and had the idea to yank them into org for inline notes. My current experiment has been: - wget the website page - run a custom script of simple sed stuff to get the major stuff converted (i /i - /, quote; - , etc.) - turn things into headlines where applicable - manually tweak the rest What I'd like to do is find some way to take notes in the article and would like some suggestions from anyone who's done this. On one hand, I see the idea of keeping a separate headline for notes, and for a series of articles, my file might look like this: ,--- | * Article 1 | ** Notes on article 1 | * Article 2 | ** Notes on article 2 `--- One advantage to this is that I could very easily add :noexport: to my notes and print off a hard copy of the article if I want it, and it would also be easy to tag my notes :notes: and then replace-string to turn the Article :export: into :noexport: and :notes: into :export:. Then I'd have an easy to print copy of my notes for each article. On the other hand, I like quoting when I use notes, and could see it as advantageous to have something like: ,--- | * Article 1 | It goes along and says x, y, and z. | --- Me: that's interesting and here are my thoughts. | | It continues along saying all kinds of other things and my comments are interjected whenever I want. `--- I think that might be more useful for studying things later, as I get to see an annotated version with my thoughts at the time I read it. What it *doesn't* allow for is the easy printing of both the article and the notes separately if I want. Would someone suggest a way that I might be able to have the best of both worlds? Some of my own not-at-all-hashed-out-ideas included: - using footnotes since org has easy ways to jump from one to another, but this would be tough when it came to actual footnotes, which there will definitely be plenty of. - highlighting the text I want to quote and then using refile somehow to send it off to my notes section with my comments. This would be cool if I could, at the same time, add an org-mode link to and from the notes and original section, but
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
Using the following code, you can control whether notes enclosed in notes blcks will be exported by changing the value of the *export-my-notes* variable, when it is nil your notes will not be exported, when t they will be exported as quoted text. #+begin_src emacs-lisp (defvar *export-my-notes* nil) (defun org-exp-block-process-notes (body rest headers) (if *export-my-notes* (format \n#+begin_quote\n%s\n#+end_quote\n body) )) (org-export-blocks-add-block '(notes org-exp-block-process-notes nil)) #+end_src So, do I put my notes between the end of the (defun org-exp...) and (org-export-blocks...)? No, sorry I should have been more clear, add the above elisp to your Emacs initialization (or just evaluate it in your scratch buffer), and then after doing so whenever you export a buffer containing a begin/end_notes block, the block will be removed during export. Then later if you want to export the notes along with the article text, you can evaluate the following elisp code to set *export-my-notes* to t, and re-export to find the notes embedded in the exported document. #+begin_src emacs-lisp (setq *export-my-notes* t) #+end_src Hope this clears things up -- Eric -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 11:33 AM, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Jeff Horn jrhorn...@gmail.com wrote: Have you tried using org-inline-task without a TODO keyword? These super-deep headlines aren't treated as headlines, so they don't break doc structure, but they are foldable, and unlike COMMENT keyword headlines, they're printable. snippety-doo-dah Yeah, this might be the ticket. Really liking it so far. So... if I were just interested in my notes (say I wanted to just push the notes to my blog or share them without all the other text), it might get odd to see all of those headlines. Can one export just the text and hide the headline text altogether? And would this also create the appearance of simply paragraphs one after the other, or would there be some increased spacing between different chunks? One other suggestion on this (calling Samuel Wales) -- what if I could get my notes at the top of the document (somehow) if I'd like to just read though the notes, but use these bidirectional markers to jump back and forth if there's ever confusion about what, exactly, I was writing about? I think that would be really slick. Some of this is for study, so I could see this being quite useful -- read through what you thought was important at the time, and if you need a refresher on the actual contents, click the link to teleport to the original text (and then teleport back)? John Lastly, it would be fantastic to have a toggle on the style used for export of these. I would love to be able to have the inline notes perhaps indented a little bit, but when exporting them alone, to turn that off. That's a lot of requests! I think as-is, I could already make this work pretty darn well. I was aware of these, but was thinking they were just for tasks and headlines, not able to contain text. Thanks for the suggestion! John On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:02 PM, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, One thing I really like to use orgmode for is research. Lately, there's a mass of stuff on-line that I've been reading though and am about to start reading through a series of articles and had the idea to yank them into org for inline notes. My current experiment has been: - wget the website page - run a custom script of simple sed stuff to get the major stuff converted (i /i - /, quote; - , etc.) - turn things into headlines where applicable - manually tweak the rest What I'd like to do is find some way to take notes in the article and would like some suggestions from anyone who's done this. On one hand, I see the idea of keeping a separate headline for notes, and for a series of articles, my file might look like this: ,--- | * Article 1 | ** Notes on article 1 | * Article 2 | ** Notes on article 2 `--- One advantage to this is that I could very easily add :noexport: to my notes and print off a hard copy of the article if I want it, and it would also be easy to tag my notes :notes: and then replace-string to turn the Article :export: into :noexport: and :notes: into :export:. Then I'd have an easy to print copy of my notes for each article. On the other hand, I like quoting when I use notes, and could see it as advantageous to have something like: ,--- | * Article 1 | It goes along and says x, y, and z. | --- Me: that's interesting and here are my thoughts. | | It continues along saying all kinds of other things and my comments are interjected whenever I want. `--- I think that might be more useful for studying things later, as I get to see an annotated version with my thoughts at the time I read it. What it *doesn't* allow for is the easy printing of both the article and the notes separately if I want. Would someone suggest a way that I might be able to have the best of both worlds? Some of my own not-at-all-hashed-out-ideas included: - using footnotes since org has easy ways to jump from one to another, but this would be tough when it came to actual footnotes, which there will definitely be plenty of. - highlighting the text I want to quote and then using refile somehow to send it off to my notes section with my comments. This would be cool if I could, at the same time, add an org-mode link to and from the notes and original section, but also if I could turn that link off when I export to PDF so I don't have hypertext to a non-existent link if I don't export my notes as well. Part of the reason that keeping notes/article separate is that I have others interested in the articles and, if I need to send them a copy, I want to get my junk out of there and have the original. I suppose I could just keep two copies, though? I think this idea could be useful to others and actually wouldn't doubt if someone has an awesome setup for something like this already. Thanks for any suggestions! John -- Jeffrey Horn http://www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
Hi John, They only solve half of the problem. Unbreakable bidirectional links using ID markers would solve the teleport problem. Both ends can be moved anyplace, including inside stretches of text. They are a little like a generalization of footnotes. They use org IDs. You can specify various things for export and appearance in the org buffer and so on. ID markers are a proposal in the list archives; they can be used for graph-theoretic applications. Bidirectional links are simply a pair of ID markers that are made to act as links also and that point to each other. However, you still need to figure out how to put notes at the top. I wonder if inline tasks can work for this. Maybe you can put a tag on each to specify that it is a note, then somehow export notes first, then everything except notes. I'm note sure how to design that to fit into org nicely. Maybe there is some way to do this: * Here is my whole document (by inclusion) (some kind of syntax here to say insert all :note: headlines) Here are the things the notes refer to. You can teleport to them. (some kind of syntax here to say insert all other headlines) Babel has something similar, but I don't know if it can do it. I have long wanted a way to include the body of a headline upon export (maybe it is possible now, dunno) and this is a generalization that lets you include all headlines with a certain tag or all headlines without it. We would want it to be useful for more purposes. Perhaps Extensible (i.e. universal) Syntax would allow flexibility here. It would prevent having to invent new syntax, because the same syntax is used for other features according to the car. * Here is my whole document (by inclusion) $[include :headlines-from-elisp (org-tags-view nil :note:)] Here are the things the notes refer to. You can teleport to them. $[include :not-headlines-from-elisp (org-tags-view nil :note:)] Samuel
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Samuel Wales samolog...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, They only solve half of the problem. Unbreakable bidirectional links using ID markers would solve the teleport problem. Both ends can be moved anyplace, including inside stretches of text. They are a little like a generalization of footnotes. They use org IDs. You can specify various things for export and appearance in the org buffer and so on. ID markers are a proposal in the list archives; they can be used for graph-theoretic applications. Bidirectional links are simply a pair of ID markers that are made to act as links also and that point to each other. This sounds very cool. I can't gather from the mailing list thread (which appears to be just you) whether this is implemented or just suggested. Is it possible to actually use this or not? However, you still need to figure out how to put notes at the top. I wonder if inline tasks can work for this. Maybe you can put a tag on each to specify that it is a note, then somehow export notes first, then everything except notes. I'm note sure how to design that to fit into org nicely. Maybe there is some way to do this: * Here is my whole document (by inclusion) (some kind of syntax here to say insert all :note: headlines) Here are the things the notes refer to. You can teleport to them. (some kind of syntax here to say insert all other headlines) This would be pretty neat. Babel has something similar, but I don't know if it can do it. I have long wanted a way to include the body of a headline upon export (maybe it is possible now, dunno) and this is a generalization that lets you include all headlines with a certain tag or all headlines without it. We would want it to be useful for more purposes. Perhaps Extensible (i.e. universal) Syntax would allow flexibility here. It would prevent having to invent new syntax, because the same syntax is used for other features according to the car. Agreed -- it would be neat to have the syntax/tools available to use it for whatever, and as a result of such a feature set, it could be used for this. Thanks for sharing, John * Here is my whole document (by inclusion) $[include :headlines-from-elisp (org-tags-view nil :note:)] Here are the things the notes refer to. You can teleport to them. $[include :not-headlines-from-elisp (org-tags-view nil :note:)] Samuel
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
Hi John, On 2011-04-06, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: This sounds very cool. I can't gather from the mailing list thread (which appears to be just you) whether this is implemented or just suggested. Is it possible to actually use this or not? Others have commented on it. Can't find links for you now. It is just a proposal. I cannot implement it. Samuel -- The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com/2010/12/welcome-to-kafka-pandemic-two-forces_9182.html I support the Whittemore-Peterson Institute (WPI) === I want to see the original (pre-hold) Lo et al. 2010 NIH/FDA/Harvard MRV paper.
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Samuel Wales samolog...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John, On 2011-04-06, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: This sounds very cool. I can't gather from the mailing list thread (which appears to be just you) whether this is implemented or just suggested. Is it possible to actually use this or not? Others have commented on it. Can't find links for you now. It is just a proposal. I cannot implement it. Ah. Good to know. Whether implemented or just suggested was the primary thing I wanted to know. Thanks, John Samuel -- The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com/2010/12/welcome-to-kafka-pandemic-two-forces_9182.html I support the Whittemore-Peterson Institute (WPI) === I want to see the original (pre-hold) Lo et al. 2010 NIH/FDA/Harvard MRV paper.
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
On 4/6/2011 9:33 AM, John Hendy wrote: ... Inline comments already look pretty good, and I can do something like this: ,- | *** Notes | Here's some notes just want to see how this looks. Here's some notes just want to see | how this looks. | | Here's some notes just want to see how this looks. Here's some notes just want to see | how this looks. | *** END `- Then on export I get a nice bold *Notes* followed by my notes: ,--- | *Notes* Here's some notes just want to see how this looks... | \linebreak is here | Here's some notes just want to see how this looks... `- If I add :export: to that Notes headline (and all of them), then it breaks them up a bit: ,- | *Notes* | \linebreak is here | Here's some notes just want to see how this looks... | \linebreak is here | Here's some notes just want to see how this looks... `- So... if I were just interested in my notes (say I wanted to just push the notes to my blog or share them without all the other text), it might get odd to see all of those headlines. Can one export just the text and hide the headline text altogether? And would this also create the appearance of simply paragraphs one after the other, or would there be some increased spacing between different chunks? I do something similar to this but don't put any heading text on the line. I *do*, however, use tags for exporting various blocks for different purposes. This can be useful here if you want to 'munge' things a bit on export, though it would likely take some careful post processing or multiple passes through your doc to get what you want. This is what I do when creating notes for teaching and handouts for students from a single org file... Lastly, it would be fantastic to have a toggle on the style used for export of these. I would love to be able to have the inline notes perhaps indented a little bit, but when exporting them alone, to turn that off. Mark
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 12:33 PM, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: So... if I were just interested in my notes (say I wanted to just push the notes to my blog or share them without all the other text), it might get odd to see all of those headlines. Can one export just the text and hide the headline text altogether? And would this also create the appearance of simply paragraphs one after the other, or would there be some increased spacing between different chunks? AFAIK, inline-tasks don't have to have headlines. For instance: ,[ org-inlinetask example ] | *** NOTES | Test note with a headline word. | *** END | | *** | Test note with blank headline. | *** END ` exports to ASCII as: ,[ ASCII export ] | -- NOTES | ¦ Test note with a headline word. | | -- | ¦ Test note with blank headline. ` Lastly, it would be fantastic to have a toggle on the style used for export of these. I would love to be able to have the inline notes perhaps indented a little bit, but when exporting them alone, to turn that off. That's out of my depth. Maybe someone else has a suggestion? Thanks for the suggestion! No problem. As a note for others searching on this, I'll just go ahead and re-iterate that if you don't want a particular inline-task to be printed, just add the :noexport: tag to the headline. Sebastian, or others: One is able to add properties to inline-style headlines correct? John could add an HTML container class property and use a stylesheet to play with HTML export, including indentation, but I don't know if there is any equivalent help from the LaTeX exporter. -- Jeffrey Horn http://www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
Have you tried using org-inline-task without a TODO keyword? These super-deep headlines aren't treated as headlines, so they don't break doc structure, but they are foldable, and unlike COMMENT keyword headlines, they're printable. The only problem I've run into is have a lot to say in an inline note. In that case, one could just insert plaintext between the pseudo-headings of the inline note (try it to see what I mean). I haven't tried printing these long notes, but I imagine it would work. On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:02 PM, John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, One thing I really like to use orgmode for is research. Lately, there's a mass of stuff on-line that I've been reading though and am about to start reading through a series of articles and had the idea to yank them into org for inline notes. My current experiment has been: - wget the website page - run a custom script of simple sed stuff to get the major stuff converted (i /i - /, quote; - , etc.) - turn things into headlines where applicable - manually tweak the rest What I'd like to do is find some way to take notes in the article and would like some suggestions from anyone who's done this. On one hand, I see the idea of keeping a separate headline for notes, and for a series of articles, my file might look like this: ,--- | * Article 1 | ** Notes on article 1 | * Article 2 | ** Notes on article 2 `--- One advantage to this is that I could very easily add :noexport: to my notes and print off a hard copy of the article if I want it, and it would also be easy to tag my notes :notes: and then replace-string to turn the Article :export: into :noexport: and :notes: into :export:. Then I'd have an easy to print copy of my notes for each article. On the other hand, I like quoting when I use notes, and could see it as advantageous to have something like: ,--- | * Article 1 | It goes along and says x, y, and z. | --- Me: that's interesting and here are my thoughts. | | It continues along saying all kinds of other things and my comments are interjected whenever I want. `--- I think that might be more useful for studying things later, as I get to see an annotated version with my thoughts at the time I read it. What it *doesn't* allow for is the easy printing of both the article and the notes separately if I want. Would someone suggest a way that I might be able to have the best of both worlds? Some of my own not-at-all-hashed-out-ideas included: - using footnotes since org has easy ways to jump from one to another, but this would be tough when it came to actual footnotes, which there will definitely be plenty of. - highlighting the text I want to quote and then using refile somehow to send it off to my notes section with my comments. This would be cool if I could, at the same time, add an org-mode link to and from the notes and original section, but also if I could turn that link off when I export to PDF so I don't have hypertext to a non-existent link if I don't export my notes as well. Part of the reason that keeping notes/article separate is that I have others interested in the articles and, if I need to send them a copy, I want to get my junk out of there and have the original. I suppose I could just keep two copies, though? I think this idea could be useful to others and actually wouldn't doubt if someone has an awesome setup for something like this already. Thanks for any suggestions! John -- Jeffrey Horn http://www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
Hi John, Interesting use case, I definitely see the utility. I think that blocks may be an appropriate solution, for example if you enclose your notes in notes blocks, then it should be easy to control whether or not they are exported... Using the following code, you can control whether notes enclosed in notes blcks will be exported by changing the value of the *export-my-notes* variable, when it is nil your notes will not be exported, when t they will be exported as quoted text. #+begin_src emacs-lisp (defvar *export-my-notes* nil) (defun org-exp-block-process-notes (body rest headers) (if *export-my-notes* (format \n#+begin_quote\n%s\n#+end_quote\n body) )) (org-export-blocks-add-block '(notes org-exp-block-process-notes nil)) #+end_src Hope this Helps -- Eric This works for me with the attached Org-mode file. * top Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enimad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. #+begin_notes eric's notes on lorem #+end_notes Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enimad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. John Hendy jw.he...@gmail.com writes: Hi, One thing I really like to use orgmode for is research. Lately, there's a mass of stuff on-line that I've been reading though and am about to start reading through a series of articles and had the idea to yank them into org for inline notes. My current experiment has been: - wget the website page - run a custom script of simple sed stuff to get the major stuff converted (i /i - /, quote; - , etc.) - turn things into headlines where applicable - manually tweak the rest What I'd like to do is find some way to take notes in the article and would like some suggestions from anyone who's done this. On one hand, I see the idea of keeping a separate headline for notes, and for a series of articles, my file might look like this: ,--- | * Article 1 | ** Notes on article 1 | * Article 2 | ** Notes on article 2 `--- One advantage to this is that I could very easily add :noexport: to my notes and print off a hard copy of the article if I want it, and it would also be easy to tag my notes :notes: and then replace-string to turn the Article :export: into :noexport: and :notes: into :export:. Then I'd have an easy to print copy of my notes for each article. On the other hand, I like quoting when I use notes, and could see it as advantageous to have something like: ,--- | * Article 1 | It goes along and says x, y, and z. | --- Me: that's interesting and here are my thoughts. | | It continues along saying all kinds of other things and my comments are interjected whenever I want. `--- I think that might be more useful for studying things later, as I get to see an annotated version with my thoughts at the time I read it. What it *doesn't* allow for is the easy printing of both the article and the notes separately if I want. Would someone suggest a way that I might be able to have the best of both worlds? Some of my own not-at-all-hashed-out-ideas included: - using footnotes since org has easy ways to jump from one to another, but this would be tough when it came to actual footnotes, which there will definitely be plenty of. - highlighting the text I want to quote and then using refile somehow to send it off to my notes section with my comments. This would be cool if I could, at the same time, add an org-mode link to and from the notes and original section, but also if I could turn that link off when I export to PDF so I don't have hypertext to a non-existent link if I don't export my notes as well. Part of the reason that keeping notes/article separate is that I have others interested in the articles and, if I need to send them a copy, I want to get my junk out of there and have the original. I suppose I could just keep two copies, though? I think this idea could be useful to others and actually wouldn't doubt if someone has an awesome setup for something like this already. Thanks for any suggestions! John -- Eric Schulte http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
If you export to HTML, you should be able to export your notes with a CSS class to style your notes as differently from the text as you like. On 04/05/2011 10:32 PM, Eric Schulte wrote: Hi John, Interesting use case, I definitely see the utility. I think that blocks may be an appropriate solution, for example if you enclose your notes in notes blocks, then it should be easy to control whether or not they are exported... Using the following code, you can control whether notes enclosed in notes blcks will be exported by changing the value of the *export-my-notes* variable, when it is nil your notes will not be exported, when t they will be exported as quoted text. #+begin_src emacs-lisp (defvar *export-my-notes* nil) (defun org-exp-block-process-notes (bodyrest headers) (if *export-my-notes* (format \n#+begin_quote\n%s\n#+end_quote\n body) )) (org-export-blocks-add-block '(notes org-exp-block-process-notes nil)) #+end_src Hope this Helps -- Eric This works for me with the attached Org-mode file. John Hendyjw.he...@gmail.com writes: Hi, One thing I really like to use orgmode for is research. Lately, there's a mass of stuff on-line that I've been reading though and am about to start reading through a series of articles and had the idea to yank them into org for inline notes. My current experiment has been: - wget the website page - run a custom script of simple sed stuff to get the major stuff converted (i/i - /,quote; - , etc.) - turn things into headlines where applicable - manually tweak the rest What I'd like to do is find some way to take notes in the article and would like some suggestions from anyone who's done this. On one hand, I see the idea of keeping a separate headline for notes, and for a series of articles, my file might look like this: ,--- | * Article 1 | ** Notes on article 1 | * Article 2 | ** Notes on article 2 `--- One advantage to this is that I could very easily add :noexport: to my notes and print off a hard copy of the article if I want it, and it would also be easy to tag my notes :notes: and then replace-string to turn the Article :export: into :noexport: and :notes: into :export:. Then I'd have an easy to print copy of my notes for each article. On the other hand, I like quoting when I use notes, and could see it as advantageous to have something like: ,--- | * Article 1 | It goes along and says x, y, and z. | --- Me: that's interesting and here are my thoughts. | | It continues along saying all kinds of other things and my comments are interjected whenever I want. `--- I think that might be more useful for studying things later, as I get to see an annotated version with my thoughts at the time I read it. What it *doesn't* allow for is the easy printing of both the article and the notes separately if I want. Would someone suggest a way that I might be able to have the best of both worlds? Some of my own not-at-all-hashed-out-ideas included: - using footnotes since org has easy ways to jump from one to another, but this would be tough when it came to actual footnotes, which there will definitely be plenty of. - highlighting the text I want to quote and then using refile somehow to send it off to my notes section with my comments. This would be cool if I could, at the same time, add an org-mode link to and from the notes and original section, but also if I could turn that link off when I export to PDF so I don't have hypertext to a non-existent link if I don't export my notes as well. Part of the reason that keeping notes/article separate is that I have others interested in the articles and, if I need to send them a copy, I want to get my junk out of there and have the original. I suppose I could just keep two copies, though? I think this idea could be useful to others and actually wouldn't doubt if someone has an awesome setup for something like this already. Thanks for any suggestions! John
Re: [O] Using orgmode to take inline notes for research
Erik Iverson er...@ccbr.umn.edu writes:
If you export to HTML, you should be able to export your notes with a
CSS class to style your notes as differently from the text as you
like.
I like the following for offsetting quotes, may work well for notes...
#+begin_src css
blockquote {
border-left: 1px solid gray;
padding-left: 4px; }
#+end_src
--
Eric Schulte
http://cs.unm.edu/~eschulte/
