Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Haberler
Am 04.02.2013 um 08:25 schrieb Chris Morley: Sure, you can say an EDM will never make a spindle synchronized move, but changes to the motion module need to do sane things regardless of what kind of a machine is being controlled. What about different motion modules optimized

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread EBo
On Feb 4 2013 1:45 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: Am 04.02.2013 um 08:25 schrieb Chris Morley: What about different motion modules optimized different classes of applications? Yes Peter I think your on the best track. Unfortunately that's a big chunk of code to try and understand to

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread EBo
On Feb 3 2013 11:58 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2013/2/4 sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com: Oh - and this is kinda interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTLs89YPtck Follow and translate the link in the description.. (interesting hack..) If anyone needs translation from Russian:

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Haberler
Am 04.02.2013 um 10:25 schrieb EBo: On Feb 4 2013 1:45 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: Am 04.02.2013 um 08:25 schrieb Chris Morley: What about different motion modules optimized different classes of applications? Yes Peter I think your on the best track. Unfortunately that's a big

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread EBo
On Feb 3 2013 10:21 PM, TJoseph Powderly wrote: EBo, your name rings a bell all the way back to Paul Corner EMC days, you been arounf here a long time i think Yes. Paul's nastiness is why I completely disengaged from EMC for a *very* long time. It was the type of two faced - stab you in the

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread EBo
On Feb 4 2013 2:58 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: Am 04.02.2013 um 10:25 schrieb EBo: LinuxCNC-3.0 then as a design philosophy? I would rather call it sheer necessity in some cases, although individual perceptions of urgency obviously differ. For instance, I dont think broadening the base of

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Haberler
Am 04.02.2013 um 11:29 schrieb EBo: On Feb 4 2013 2:58 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: Am 04.02.2013 um 10:25 schrieb EBo: LinuxCNC-3.0 then as a design philosophy? I would rather call it sheer necessity in some cases, although individual perceptions of urgency obviously differ. For

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread EBo
On Feb 4 2013 4:18 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: Am 04.02.2013 um 11:29 schrieb EBo: On Feb 4 2013 2:58 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: Am 04.02.2013 um 10:25 schrieb EBo: Well, I can see this going two ways. EMC works now. well, the new RTOS branches do, too - sticking with that for the

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread Michael Haberler
Am 04.02.2013 um 14:11 schrieb EBo: On Feb 4 2013 4:18 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: Am 04.02.2013 um 11:29 schrieb EBo: In the past, and I can read it between the lines now, that the invasiveness of the modifications will take so much time and effort that lots of other things gets pushed

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
On 02/04/2013 03:29 AM, EBo wrote: Also, if people have not done it already, I *strongly* recommend setting up a fully automated unit and regression test suite. We have a regression testing infrastructure and a pile of regression tests. We have continuous integration setup that runs the

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2013/2/4 EBo e...@sandien.com: I do not have time to really crawl into his code, and have the following question that I could see as being a problem: Can a long move be interrupted and reversed? If so, how does it handle the deceleration? In the video it switches back and forth right in a

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread John Kasunich
On Mon, Feb 4, 2013, at 09:43 AM, Michael Haberler wrote: Am 04.02.2013 um 14:11 schrieb EBo: So my question to you is how long do you keep the 2.5 branch if/when a 3.0 branch becomes stable and fully functional? It should not be 0, but it also should not be forever. I dont know.

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 02/04/2013 04:18 AM, EBo wrote: On Feb 3 2013 10:21 PM, TJoseph Powderly wrote: EBo, your name rings a bell all the way back to Paul Corner EMC days, you been arounf here a long time i think Yes. Paul's nastiness is why I completely disengaged from EMC for a *very* long time. It was the

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread TJoseph Powderly
On 02/03/2013 02:59 PM, EBo wrote: On Feb 3 2013 1:02 PM, Chris Morley wrote: I don't know if the trajectory planner keeps the move history, if it does then it might be possible to allow negative adaptive feed. Unfortunately negative feed would require major rework - there is no history of

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-04 Thread Jon Elson
On 02/04/2013 04:18 AM, EBo wrote: On Feb 3 2013 10:21 PM, TJoseph Powderly wrote: EBo, your name rings a bell all the way back to Paul Corner EMC days, you been arounf here a long time i think Yes. Paul's nastiness is why I completely disengaged from EMC for a *very* long time. It was the

[Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
Long story short I am looking at building a project that would likely work best with EDM. I am looking at building a custom EDM head for a a CNC router that is currently configured for 0.0001 step. What I am trying to figure out is how to configure EMC so that the electronics can return a

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2013/2/3 EBo e...@sandien.com: Long story short I am looking at building a project that would likely work best with EDM. I am looking at building a custom EDM head for a a CNC router that is currently configured for 0.0001 step. What I am trying to figure out is how to configure EMC so that

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
On Feb 3 2013 4:47 AM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2013/2/3 EBo e...@sandien.com: Long story short I am looking at building a project that would likely work best with EDM. I am looking at building a custom EDM head for a a CNC router that is currently configured for 0.0001 step. What I am

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread andy pugh
On 3 February 2013 13:39, EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: What I am trying to figure out is how to configure EMC so that the electronics can return a pause signal until it has burned burned through the requested material, Adaptive feed _might_ work, but there is no way in the current code to run

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
On Feb 3 2013 4:57 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 3 February 2013 13:39, EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: What I am trying to figure out is how to configure EMC so that the electronics can return a pause signal until it has burned burned through the requested material, Adaptive feed _might_ work, but

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread andy pugh
On 3 February 2013 15:39, EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: Short answer is that decades ago I was shown a EDM head that could self retract a small distance If this is purely a die-sinking application then I suggest not bothering with G-code at all. Do the whole thing in HAL with a custom

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread dave
On Sun, 2013-02-03 at 15:50 +0200, andy pugh wrote: On 3 February 2013 15:39, EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: Short answer is that decades ago I was shown a EDM head that could self retract a small distance If this is purely a die-sinking application then I suggest not bothering with G-code

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Steve Stallings
-Original Message- From: dave [mailto:dengv...@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 10:43 AM To: EMC developers Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions On Sun, 2013-02-03 at 15:50 +0200, andy pugh wrote: On 3 February 2013 15:39, EBo e

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread ebo
developers' emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:dengv...@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 10:43 AM To: EMC developers Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread John Kasunich
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 06:57 AM, andy pugh wrote: On 3 February 2013 13:39, EBo e...@sandien.com wrote: What I am trying to figure out is how to configure EMC so that the electronics can return a pause signal until it has burned burned through the requested material, Adaptive feed

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Dave
: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions -Original Message- From: dave [mailto:dengv...@charter.net] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 10:43 AM To: EMC developers Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions On Sun, 2013-02-03 at 15:50 +0200, andy pugh

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Chris Morley
I don't know if the trajectory planner keeps the move history, if it does then it might be possible to allow negative adaptive feed. Unfortunately negative feed would require major rework - there is no history of the path that has been executed. (That has also been discussed at

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread ed
Steve Stallings wrote: SNIP That would be Pete Gruendeman. We have not been in contact since about 2008, a year after the fest where he brought his setup. I keep intending to get back to making something more for EDM, but never seem to get the time. Pete's system did not use EMC, but

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
On Feb 3 2013 1:02 PM, Chris Morley wrote: I don't know if the trajectory planner keeps the move history, if it does then it might be possible to allow negative adaptive feed. Unfortunately negative feed would require major rework - there is no history of the path that has been executed.

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
On Feb 3 2013 1:02 PM, Chris Morley wrote: ... Michael did a proof of concept on jog-while-paused once. You can see it on Utube. I just looked this up and the video does not move backward along the jogged path, but straight to where it was before. I would expect that with a wirefed EDM,

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
On Feb 3 2013 1:59 PM, ed wrote: Steve Stallings wrote: SNIP That would be Pete Gruendeman. We have not been in contact since about 2008, a year after the fest where he brought his setup. I keep intending to get back to making something more for EDM, but never seem to get the time.

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread John Kasunich
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 03:59 PM, EBo wrote: possibly, but a more principled hack would be to interface it at the point where it calls the low lever Catmull-Rom spline, and just evaluate it in reverse. I do not know how difficult that would be, but it would require the ability to move

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, John Kasunich wrote: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:08:37 -0500 From: John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm Reply-To: EMC developers emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net To: EMC developers emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions On Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 03:59 PM, EBo wrote: possibly, but a more principled hack would be to interface it at the point where it calls the low lever Catmull-Rom spline, and just evaluate it in reverse. I do not know how

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
On Feb 3 2013 3:08 PM, John Kasunich wrote: On Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 03:59 PM, EBo wrote: possibly, but a more principled hack would be to interface it at the point where it calls the low lever Catmull-Rom spline, and just evaluate it in reverse. I do not know how difficult that would be,

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Scott Hasse
For simple simker EDM I implemented reversing in a gcode loop sensing an analog input: http://code.google.com/p/sector67-sandbox/wiki/FrequencyBasedAnalogInput this was simple for my application, could stand to be refined somewhat, and would get complicated for anything but straight down/up.

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread TJoseph Powderly
-developers@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions On Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 03:59 PM, EBo wrote: possibly, but a more principled hack would be to interface it at the point where it calls the low lever Catmull-Rom spline, and just evaluate

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread sam sokolik
developers emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions On Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 03:59 PM, EBo wrote: possibly, but a more principled hack would be to interface it at the point where it calls the low lever Catmull-Rom spline, and just

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread sam sokolik
: On Sun, 3 Feb 2013, John Kasunich wrote: Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:08:37 -0500 From: John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm Reply-To: EMC developers emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net To: EMC developers emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
Scott, Thanks. I will look at this when I get a chance. I may end up reworking an old Bezier spline driver module to straight step direction code if it comes to that. More later, EBo -- On Feb 3 2013 7:17 PM, Scott Hasse wrote: For simple simker EDM I implemented reversing in a

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
@lists.sourceforge.net To: EMC developers emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions On Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 03:59 PM, EBo wrote: possibly, but a more principled hack would be to interface it at the point where it calls the low

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread EBo
, 03 Feb 2013 17:08:37 -0500 From: John Kasunich jmkasun...@fastmail.fm Reply-To: EMC developers emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net To: EMC developers emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions On Sun, Feb 3, 2013, at 03:59 PM, EBo

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread TJoseph Powderly
EBo, your name rings a bell all the way back to Paul Corner EMC days, you been arounf here a long time i think btw: mydynac ( and RayHenry's) approach could not reverse even 1 unit of measure the 'adaptive speed' method could only reduce forward velocity , can not reverse at all there was no

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2013/2/4 sam sokolik sa...@empirescreen.com: Oh - and this is kinda interesting... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTLs89YPtck Follow and translate the link in the description.. (interesting hack..) If anyone needs translation from Russian: The way this works is a g-code filter, which

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Chris Morley
If anyone needs translation from Russian: The way this works is a g-code filter, which generates a reverse g-code for a particular g-code line and inserts it _before_ this particular g-code line with a / symbol in front of it. It seems like a change in Axis GUI script to redefine zoom-in

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2013/2/4 Chris Morley chrisinnana...@hotmail.com: If anyone needs translation from Russian: The way this works is a g-code filter, which generates a reverse g-code for a particular g-code line and inserts it _before_ this particular g-code line with a / symbol in front of it. It seems like

Re: [Emc-developers] custom EDM configuration questions

2013-02-03 Thread Chris Morley
Sure, you can say an EDM will never make a spindle synchronized move, but changes to the motion module need to do sane things regardless of what kind of a machine is being controlled. What about different motion modules optimized different classes of applications? Yes Peter I