Re: 2 Phases in North America

2001-12-14 Thread Cortland Richmond
Should have put a (grin) symbol in that. I've always understood two phase to mean a distribution system using three wires, one common, with two conductors whose phase differed by 90 degrees. These were used, I believe, mainly for motors. I think this is what the original question was asking

RE: 2 Phases in North America

2001-12-14 Thread Bill Lawrence
RE: 2 Phases in North AmericaTwo Phase / 5 Wire (4 hots and a neutral) was a common power distribution in US cities in the early part of this century. Many early motors are 2-phase motors. I learned about this when helping with connection of these motors to run on a 3 phase power system via a

Re: 2 Phases in North America

2001-12-14 Thread bogdan matoga
Dear Esquire: May I suggest that you partake in a course called Basic Electricity 001? Bogdan. Cortland Richmond wrote: By the definition below, *single phase* AC would require one wire with no return. I want to see THAT one work before I pay for it! Cortland Richmond (the above being my

Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-14 Thread James Collum

RE: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-14 Thread Nerad, Daren HS-SNS
I just checked with my attorneys (the very prestigious firm of Dewey, Cheetum Howe)... And they figured that he may have instead been listening to too much Beatles music pretending his fist was a silver hammer and he was named Maxwell (WHAT? You didn't name your son after a name well known to

RE: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-14 Thread Kazimier_Gawrzyjal
My guess is the line is always moving...the pit stops get determined by the nature of the product, the environment of intended use, laws, ethics, lawyers, knowledge, safety professionals, cost and schedule. A likely vehicle towards the education of the end user would be the user documentation.

RE: 2 Phases in North America

2001-12-14 Thread Wagner, John P (John)
Actually, 2 phase systems have a phase rotation of 90 degrees, not 180. Two phase systems have been used for control motors and the like, but are fairly rare these days. 180 degree rotation between phases is a center tapped single phase system. The proper terminology is, I believe, split phase.

Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-14 Thread Electrical-Safety - Bill Addiss
Bob, Here you will find a few more surprising (maybe not) misuses. http://www.electrical-contractor.net/Y-Files.htm Let me repeat an invitation to any that would like to participate in our Forums. We would love to have some product safety related individuals involved and perhaps some of our

Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-14 Thread Tania Grant
Stephen (or is it Moe?) You miss the point. None of the catastrophes you present below are presented in the news in a humorous (except, perhaps, in the case of politicians) or positive manner. Children especially, and some adults as well, will accept things literarily, especially when

Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-14 Thread Stephen Phillips
I hope you didn't let him watch the news either... he could become a murderer, drunk driver, rapist, embezzler, adulterer, car thief, or politician... or one of those guys who goes surfing in a hurricane. Or - learn by what he saw, not by what he didn't see. With all due respect, Moe

Re: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-14 Thread Tania Grant
Gert, You may be technically correct, but I also believe that we should bring up citizens to be prudently knowledgeable about electrical hazards. These are not intuitively obvious. The manufacturer has a responsibility for designing a safe product. The user has a responsibility for using

What happened to the IEC60417 symbol library?

2001-12-14 Thread POWELL, DOUG
Hello all, Today it came to my attention the IEC website in Japan is down. I checked with InterNIC and their domain name is no longer registered. I checked with GOOGLE.COM and search results are: - Graphical Symbols Compliant to IEC Standard 417 -

Re: 2 Phases in North America

2001-12-14 Thread Cortland Richmond
By the definition below, *single phase* AC would require one wire with no return. I want to see THAT one work before I pay for it! Cortland Richmond (the above being my own opinion, not a statement of my employer's) Robert Johnson wrote: This has just reopened the old two phase controversy

RE: stability

2001-12-14 Thread POWELL, DOUG
This is the soda machine test. It enables frustrated consumers to freely bounce the machine without killing themselves. There was a news report several years ago about the macho army guy at Ft. Carson Army base who was killed by a filled pop machine when he didn't get his proper change.

Re: stability

2001-12-14 Thread info
I no longer have a copy of the 5th edition but from your email, I suggest that the equipment must be both floor standing and have a mass exceeding 20kg. Why do you reference the 5th edition, this has long been superceded by the 6th edition and the 7th edition has also just been released. Best

Re: Enclosed OATS facilities

2001-12-14 Thread Darren Pearson
RE: Enclosed OATS facilities---detourHi On the subject of OATS, I need to get one set up in the UK. Can any one recommend a company that will install an compliant OATS in the UK? Regards Darren Darren Pearson Radio Telecom Approval Services Genesys Singleton Court, Wonastow Road

Re: RTTE Directive

2001-12-14 Thread reheller
Richard, * If the test methods you are using are harmonized to the RTTE Directive then you do not need a Notified Body. * If the frequency you are using is harmonized by all EU countries then you do not need the Alert symbol (exclamation point in a circle). 1. Harmonized test methods and

RE: 2 Phases in North America

2001-12-14 Thread Robert Johnson
This has just reopened the old two phase controversy again. Ed has done a good job of describing the systems in detail, but be careful with the terms. Ask an electrical engineer about a 120/240 volt home service and he will call it a two phase system. Two phases 180 degrees out of phase is

RE: Sometimes product safety just isn't enough

2001-12-14 Thread CE-TEST
{ Please read this email with more then average sense of humour , and then : THINK !) So, What's Wrong With That, The guy on the picture (see link below) is protected by 2 layers of safety: 1/ Basic Insulation, rated for the mains voltage PLUS transient levels 2/ Grounding , for in case the

stability

2001-12-14 Thread xingwb
Hi Group I HAVE A QUSETION REGARDING STABILITY QUESTION In IEC60065 5TH EDITION+A1+A2+A3 Subclause 19 Appartus designed to stand on the floor and having a mass exceeding 20 kg shall have adequate stability. How to understand this clause? one understand this subclause applies to the appartus

RE: 2 Phases in North America

2001-12-14 Thread Price, Ed
-Original Message- From: Barry Esmore [mailto:bar...@melbpc.org.au] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:39 PM To: EMC-PSTC Forum Subject: 2 Phases in North America Hi All, Can someone provide an estimate of the percentage of homes and businesses that have 2 phases in Canada and the