Re: Need Help on Inner PCB plane for RF shielding in isolated circuit

2002-02-21 Thread Robert Macy
Chris, Using a PCB layer as an RF shield. Don't forget you probably have that PCB layer cut into swiss cheese with vias, unless you used blind vias. Background: A microstrip trace will radiate off the board a certain amount - makes sense since part of its

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2002-02-21 Thread Patrick Lawler
On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 11:28:57 -0800, you wrote: My apologies! In the last message I put a wrong address: maHordomo.. and of course the message got rejected - there just ain't no AI in my address book! snip You should be glad your address book has no AI. Our company email program is Lotus

Re: Sanitary Standard Testing

2002-02-21 Thread Patrick Lawler
Are you looking for a laboratory to perform the testing, or a copy of the standard so you can review the requirements? In the United States, standards for food products are controlled by the FDA (Food and Drug Administration). I found one web page you might start with:

T200/T400

2002-02-21 Thread Mike Cantwell
All, Adtran has a T200/T400 shelf platform that several companies apparently make circuit packs for. My contact at Adtran has said that it is an old industry standard pin out configuration for circuit packs, is similar to the old STD computer bus, and thinks it was originally developed by

HP board schematic

2002-02-21 Thread Price, Ed
Hi Listmembers: Would anyone be able to help me get a copy of the schematic for a plug-in RF amplifier board for an HP-8662 RF Synthesized Signal Generator? The board is designated the A4A1 Output Amplifier, there is an internal sticker that reads HP-08662-67008, and there is a section of

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2002-02-21 Thread bogdan matoga
My apologies! In the last message I put a wrong address: maHordomo.. and of course the message got rejected - there just ain't no AI in my address book! Gabi: You will have read some more on the subject, so best of good luck to you! Bogdan. bogdan matoga wrote: Gabi: I believe that there

New China Compulsory Certification Scheme

2002-02-21 Thread richwoods
Here is more information on the new scheme. http://www.esimcom.com/aak2_0_1_2/simcom_about/cccmark.asp --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at:

Re: EN 61000-3-3 A1

2002-02-21 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that richwo...@tycoint.com wrote (in 846BF526A205F8 4BA2B6045BBF7E9A6A01F13E61@flbocexu05) about 'EN 61000-3-3 A1', on Thu, 21 Feb 2002: Is there anyone that disagrees that limited inrush current is not a requirement under the amended standard? I think I should not fail to

RE: South Korean Power System Schuko Plugs

2002-02-21 Thread Robert Wilson
The inability of Schuko plugs to be able to be polarized, may have something to do with the fact that German homes (at least) are supplied with 3-phase power. Some time ago this came as a surprise when a friend was showing me his new lathe he had just installed in his basement, which used a

Sanitary Standard Testing

2002-02-21 Thread Peter Merguerian
Dear All, Can anyone help identify a laboratory testing to Sanitary Standards for Level Sensing Devices for Dry Milk and Dry Milk Products, Number 50-00? This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use,

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2002-02-21 Thread Peter Merguerian
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RE: EN 61000-3-3 A1

2002-02-21 Thread richwoods
Sorry, te syntax of my question was incorrect. Let me try again. Is there anyone that disagrees with the following statement? Inrush current is a requirement under the amended standard. -Original Message- From: WOODS, RICHARD Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 9:55 AM

Re: Need Help on Inner PCB plane for RF shielding in isolated circuit

2002-02-21 Thread Cortland Richmond
Chris, I had a thought, reading your message, that even a plain metal sheet, if it is close to a half wavelength across, has an RF hot spot in the middle. In that case, you must keep one side of the sheet (plane) cold, while the other is not. This means good grounds (UHF RF returns) at the

EN 61000-3-3 A1

2002-02-21 Thread richwoods
There has been controversey over the intrepretation of EN61000-3-3 as to the need to consider in-rush current. HP had concluded that it was not a measurement requirement and had not included the measurement in their software. However, my reading of the new A1 indicates that measurement of

Re: Using PCB traces as transient voltage suppressor

2002-02-21 Thread John Barnes
Gabi, Check out [912] Linholm, Loren W., and Plachy, Richard F., Electrostatic Gate Protection Using an Arc Gap Device, 11th Annual Proceedings Reliability Physics. Las Vegas, NV, Apr. 3-5, 1973, pp. 198-202. [1387] Wallash, Albert J. and Hughbanks, Timothy H.,

Need Help on Inner PCB plane for RF shielding in isolated circuit

2002-02-21 Thread Chris Wells
Hi - I'm looking for some practical advise on using an inner Printed Circuit Board PCB plane tied at the corner mounting holes of the chassis as a shield from RF exposure coming in on an isolated field circuit relative to another digital logic board. Questions: a.. Must my shield layer be

Flame rating

2002-02-21 Thread Pierre SELVA (eLABs)
Dear all, In UL6500, table 14, it's stated the flammability category could be 5VA for some materials. Can somebody remember me this classification using 5VA, 5VB, ... ? and what are the equivalence (if any) with the classification defined by UL94 ? I know the classification HB, V2, V1, V0, 5V,

Re: South Korean Power System Schuko Plugs

2002-02-21 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Allen, John john.al...@uk.thalesgroup.com wrote (in 999c839e7e27d41185ec00d0b7473692024cd...@norway.int.rdel.co.u k) about 'South Korean Power System Schuko Plugs', on Thu, 21 Feb 2002: Double-pole fusing requirements may depend on the product standard requirements, but

RE: South Korean Power System Schuko Plugs

2002-02-21 Thread Allen, John
Hi Folks A few years ago I worked for BSI Technical Help to Exporters and helped to update their publication World Wide Plugs and Sockets Survey - which I assume is still available from BSI (see www.bsi-global.com) I remember looking at the Korean standards for plugs and sockets:- Yes - they

Re: Using PCB traces as transient voltage suppressor

2002-02-21 Thread Cortland Richmond
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: 20-Feb-02 13:38:27 MsgID: OUTBOX MgTo: Gabi Hoffknecht INTERNET:gab...@simex.ca Subj: Re: Using PCB traces as transient voltage suppressor Hi, Gabi, I have a bad feeling about spark gaps on a board. There may be conductive material left on the

RE: Use of PCB Traces as Fuse and Voltage suppressor

2002-02-21 Thread Cortland Richmond
When do you need a fuse? Level II is the only time you are allowed to lose functionality, and the requirement for THAT is, it can't catch fire or explode. I've seen trace fuses tried. The problem comes after the trace blows. You are at the mercy of your board shop, and if you use a number of

Re: EN61000-6-2

2002-02-21 Thread Ken Javor
The nature of a CDN is that its purpose is to provide a 150 Ohm source impedance for the injected rf. The requirement is specified as an open circuit potential and a 150 Ohm source impedance. Since rf signal sources and amplifiers for our line of work have 50 Ohm source impedance, the CDN

Re: Use of PCB Traces as Fuse and Voltage suppressor

2002-02-21 Thread Robert Macy
Our experience with gas discharge tubes was that they worked according to spec in the lab. fired perfectly around 400V like they're supposed to, but down inside of the PVC oil tank holding the 150KV isolation transformer they liked to fire at 600V+ Guess they needed photon energy to make the

RE: Safety of Indicating LEDs

2002-02-21 Thread Peter Tarver
Rich and Scott - Irrespective of how any test house decides to address indicator LEDs, my discussions with TC76 members and contributing experts, including Bob Weiner and Jerome Dennis, as well as the remainder of the members at a panel discussion at the 1997 Laser Institute of America

Re: Use of PCB Traces as Fuse and Voltage suppressor

2002-02-21 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Chris Maxwell chris.maxw...@nettest.com wrote (in 83d652574e7af740873674f9fc12dbaaf7d...@utexh1w2.gnnettest.com) about 'Use of PCB Traces as Fuse and Voltage suppressor', on Wed, 20 Feb 2002: I'm sorry if you thought that my previous message was an endorsement for using

Re: Using PCB traces as transient voltage suppressor

2002-02-21 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Gabi Hoffknecht gab...@simex.ca wrote (in 80847F2BCE8AD511BE2F0060976AD68A03ECC8@SIMEXPDC01) about 'Using PCB traces as transient voltage suppressor', on Wed, 20 Feb 2002: I have seen PCB designs with two triangular shaped copper pads pointed towards each other at very

Re: double-pole switching and fusing

2002-02-21 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com wrote (in 200202202227.oaa19...@epgc264.sdd.hp.com) about 'double-pole switching and fusing', on Wed, 20 Feb 2002: Tables 2E and 2F are invoked only by the Note 2 to Sub-clause 2.7.4. A Note is informative, not a requirement. Yes, well, Note 2