Re: [PSES] Document and Project Management Systems?

2017-01-13 Thread Kortas, Jamison
Thanks Doug and John, I will look at the ones mentioned. Much appreacited. -Jamison From: Douglas Nix [mailto:d...@mac.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:14 PM To: Kortas, Jamison Cc: IEEE EMC PSTC Subject: Re: [PSES] Document and

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread Brent DeWitt
I did some experiments with equipment (Blu-Ray players and TVs) that showed that the introduction of an off-the-shelf, poorly constructed, short, cable to cable adapter caused a 25 dB increase in radiated emissions at 742.5 MHz in 1080P HDMI. The slightest introduction of skew/imbalance on the

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread Brent DeWitt
It seems that there is a potential conflict between CISPR 32 and ANSI C63.4 with respect to AE/support equipment. CISPR 32, as I remember, specifically says to minimize the emissions from the AE/support equipment while C63.4 does have the support equipment in the test environment. Ghery Pettit

Re: [PSES] Document and Project Management Systems?

2017-01-13 Thread Douglas Nix
I use an application called Daylite to do all my customer relationship management and project management. I can’t say enough about how good this software is, and how much it has helped me to keep track of all the important details. I combine Daylite with another app from the same developer,

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? -ANSIC63.4

2017-01-13 Thread Grasso, Charles
Because that is the ANSI requirement irrespective. -Original Message- From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 12:19 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? -ANSIC63.4 Why?? I get that on an OATS - there

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread john Allen
That gets back to the "eternal battle"/"conversation" as to where the problem lays. Yes, the cables and peripherals need to be "compliant", but that should not be used as an excuse that the manufacturer's "main product" need not also be compliant - unless, of course, he is selling a complete

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread Schmidt, Mark
In the project that I am currently working on the main PC, HDMI cable and Touchscreen is a subsystem of a larger system which includes hydraulics, turntables, D65 lamps, power supplies and many other sources of potential emissions for this device. Only the poorly constructed HDMI cable is the

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread Grasso, Charles
Which goes back to my musing : With so much money and effort applied to EMC (especially emissions!) shouldn't compliant product (including cables and so on) be the norm rather than the exception? And if non-compliant product is the norm rather than the exception what can be changed to reverse

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread Cortland Richmond
On 1/13/2017 2:21 PM, Ken Javor wrote: Why would one feel, philosophically, that it is required had to meet a limit with a noisy peripheral? You are not responsible for the peripheral's noise contribution, right? One couldn't, and for the monitors, THIS one didn't have to; we didn't buy them.

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? -ANSIC63.4

2017-01-13 Thread Grasso, Charles
Hi Ken, If you are following ANSI C63.4 the then TV should be placed in the same room as the device under test. -Original Message- From: Ken Javor [mailto:ken.ja...@emccompliance.com] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:27 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] lowest

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread Ken Javor
Why would one feel, philosophically, that it is required had to meet a limit with a noisy peripheral? You are not responsible for the peripheral's noise contribution, right? Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 > From: Cortland Richmond > Reply-To: > Date:

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV? -ANSIC63.4

2017-01-13 Thread Ken Javor
Why?? I get that on an OATS - there is no other room. But why in a SAC? Ken Javor Phone: (256) 650-5261 > From: "Grasso, Charles" > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 19:03:20 + > To: 'Ken Javor' , "EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG" >

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread Cortland Richmond
On 1/12/2017 10:26 PM, Ken Javor wrote: If I am qualifying a device that connects through a cable to this TV, but not the TV itself, why would it physically have to be part of the set-up in the test chamber? Why could it not simply be support equipment in an adjacent chamber, providing the

Re: [PSES] Document and Project Management Systems?

2017-01-13 Thread John Allen
Hi Jamison, Never used it but OnRule will be at the 2017 Symposium - http://2017.psessymposium.org/affiliates/exhibitor Here's their website. http://www.onrule.com/ As long as I have everyone's attention and the symposium came up, please don't be upset for a plug to the Symposium.

[PSES] Document and Project Management Systems?

2017-01-13 Thread Kortas, Jamison
Hello All, I wanted to see if anyone would be willing to share what they use for document and project management. Technical file contents, DoCs, Project Submittal Data, pertinent project information, correspondence, etc. Doesn't matter if it is a standalone software tool, an external firm, a

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
" I suspect this is just equipment originated CM current, that cannot be cured with a better cable; but needs a better equipment CM design. (Or a bunch of heavy ferrites)." I suspect that is the crux of the issue, as it is for many ports on all kinds of products. Ralph McDiarmid Product

Re: [PSES] WEEE symbol - solid bar

2017-01-13 Thread John Woodgate
I still say that even most regulators have things that they would rather do than bother about 'bar or no bar'. And if one did raise the matter, just say 'Sorry' and do what they want. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M

Re: [PSES] WEEE symbol - solid bar

2017-01-13 Thread Matthew Larkin
Hi Amund Article 15 of the WEEE Directive says preferably EN50419 (wheeled bin with bar) shall be applied for this purpose but Annex IX of the WEEE Directive shows the wheeled bin without bar so it is rather misleading. You could interpret that the reference to EN50419 relates to

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread John Allen
Gert Your 3rd paragraph is exactly what I was trying to draw attention to when I commented, yesterday, that HDMI port emissions should be addressed and fixed, and not to try blame everything on the lack of decent "EMC-screened" cables! John E Allen W. London, UK -Original Message-

Re: [PSES] lowest emissions 4k TV?

2017-01-13 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Exactly. Nowadays it's easy to filter high speed ports, and in the case of shielded cable this is even more easy. One aspect that can be a problem is cable length. USB and HDMI are limited in length, and in large rooms that can be a problem, needing repeaters, that can form a new problem