Re: [PSES] crimp hardware for multiple conductors?

2017-02-21 Thread Richard Nute
Most safety standards require both insulation and wire to be fastened to be acceptable Back in the old days of tube TVs, the power switch was commonly on the back of the volume control. The switch terminals had holes through which the mains wire was threaded and then soldered. With

Re: [PSES] crimp hardware for multiple conductors?

2017-02-21 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
You can put 20 people in a car, but you won’t make it for far. There are chairs for 4 (in most cars), so charge them with four people. Logic isn’t it ? If a ring terminal would be made for 2 or more wires, they would allow for two separate cable entries (and require a suitable crimping tool).

Re: [PSES] RoHS and renewable energy

2017-02-21 Thread John Woodgate
We are all at the mercy of Herr Klippboard (it usually is a Herr, but maybe a Monsieur), unless we are a big enough company to fight. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent.

Re: [PSES] crimp hardware for multiple conductors?

2017-02-21 Thread Schmidt, Mark
Hi Adam, For quick connects, whatever you do, make sure it conforms to UL310 if your product is attempting to meet the requirements of UL60950. Regards, Mark From: Adam Dixon [mailto:lanterna.viri...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:45 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject:

Re: [PSES] RoHS and renewable energy

2017-02-21 Thread Brian O'Connell
Mr. Woodgate is offering a rational interpretation in the face of an inconsistent and confused bureaucracy. The problem is that the import authorities may or may not agree for all cases of related equipment. Depending on the particular state’s import authorities and the particular equipment

Re: [PSES] crimp hardware for multiple conductors?

2017-02-21 Thread Doug Powell
I've had experience with this in a few types of products, using both with IEC-based standards and old school UL standards. When dealing with various electric codes such as NFPA 70, there are needs that must be met and the design of a product must be compatible. As you have stated, there is very

Re: [PSES] crimp hardware for multiple conductors?

2017-02-21 Thread John Woodgate
It only helps to show that this is a 'grey area', suggesting that for a quiet life, do not use more than one wire. In practice, two solid wires are very troublesome, but two stranded wires are nowhere near as difficult. The more strands the better, within the capacity of the crimp. With

Re: [PSES] crimp hardware for multiple conductors?

2017-02-21 Thread Adam Dixon
Thanks, John. IEC 60352-2 Section 10.2 "Crimped connections made with more than one wire in a crimp barrel" briefly addresses general considerations and closes with the requirement for full testing to Section 5.3.3. There is an additional comment "in some industries, the use of more than one

Re: [PSES] crimp hardware for multiple conductors?

2017-02-21 Thread John Woodgate
IEC 60352-2 may help. Or not. With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO – Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England Sylvae in aeternum manent. From: Adam Dixon [mailto:lanterna.viri...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 21,

[PSES] crimp hardware for multiple conductors?

2017-02-21 Thread Adam Dixon
I would appreciate pointers for locating ring and quick disconnect crimp hardware which are approved for multiple conductor use. I've had conversations with two major manufacturers so far. One confirmed a quick disconnect terminal family that supports multiple conductors provided that the summed