Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-27 Thread John Woodgate
In message 004c01cfd9f0$7a3b7890$6eb269b0$@cox.net, dated Fri, 26 Sep 2014, Ed Price edpr...@cox.net writes: 1.   When a standard is made available to the various national standards bodies, is there some guidance or agreement regarding the minimum or maximum retail cost? No. 2.   Can a

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-27 Thread Mike Cantwell
Hi all, I have received many responses which I will summarize here. As with all things, there are pros cons to consider, as well as different needs of an enterprise. The realities of copyright, licensing, web availability, share point posting, etc should definitely be considered before an

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-27 Thread John Woodgate
In message blu437-smtp71d3eb2e020202a88b8ffaf2...@phx.gbl, dated Sat, 27 Sep 2014, Mike Cantwell mike.cantw...@outlook.com writes: I have received many responses which I will summarize here. Excellent information. It might be as well to add DIN (www.beuth.de), which is usually well up in

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-26 Thread Rick Busche
(regardless of source) should reflect similar prices. Just curious... Rick -Original Message- From: Brian Oconnell [mailto:oconne...@tamuracorp.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 12:28 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Please note that I am

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-26 Thread Crane, Lauren
: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Can someone explain the disparity in the price of standards between the Estonia (EVS) and those procured through other sources? When a standard is written it seems to me that a cost is associated with the development and intiial publication, in other words

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-26 Thread John Woodgate
In message 1bf7078af9474580aba7871481523...@blupr01mb147.prod.exchangelabs.com, dated Fri, 26 Sep 2014, Rick Busche rick.bus...@qnergy.com writes: Can someone explain the disparity in the price of standards between the Estonia (EVS) and those procured through other sources? When a standard

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-26 Thread Ed Price
Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 8:58 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards In message mailto:1bf7078af9474580aba7871481523...@blupr01mb147.prod.exchangelabs.com 1bf7078af9474580aba7871481523...@blupr01mb147

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
: [PSES] Buying Standards Some more details, you can buy hard copy or single user license or multi-user license from Estonia. Single user license is locked to one PC and printing is limited. I always buy multi (2) user licenses for each standard for only a few Euros more which allows the PDFs

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2014-09-24 Thread Amund Westin
I usually by standards from Denmark. Check out http://www.ds.dk/en Best regards Amund Fra: Mike Cantwell [mailto:mike.cantw...@outlook.com] Sendt: 24. september 2014 04:18 Til: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Emne: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi all, I have to buy a whole bunch

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2014-09-24 Thread John Woodgate
In message 002e01cfd7be$9c6ed120$d54c7360$@westin-emission.no, dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, Amund Westin am...@westin-emission.no writes: I usually by standards from Denmark. Check out http://www.ds.dk/en Prices are much lower than elsewhere, but not as low as from Estonia. -- OOO - Own Opinions

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread John Woodgate
In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA48920AA05@ZEUS.cetest.local, dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl writes:   Cut paste possible (copy a setup diagram for example, or the scope   There is always a way, even if a document is heavily

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
:56 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA48920AA05@ZEUS.cetest.local, dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl writes:   Cut paste possible (copy a setup diagram for example

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread John Woodgate
In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA48920AA0D@ZEUS.cetest.local, dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl writes: The single user version is not usable in a commercial environment, as it phones home and might transfer information that is

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: woensdag 24 september 2014 14:57 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA48920AA0D@ZEUS.cetest.local, dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread Wiseman, Joshua E BIS
-Original Message- From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:17 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [External] Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Well there is Adobe and Fileopen in that chain, as the license basically

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
:01 AM To: Nyffenegger, Dave; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi Dave, Some more questions on the EE standards: The site gives ample information about a single user license but none on your suggested two user license: So some questions remain

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread Leber, Jody (Suwanee)
: 770.570.1838 Main: 770.570.1800 Mobile: 678.469.9835 -Original Message- From: ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen [mailto:g.grem...@cetest.nl] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Well there is Adobe

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
Dave et al, Thanks for the help I will try these multi-user option next time. Gert From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: woensdag 24 september 2014 15:40 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards I recall

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread Mike Sherman ----- Original Message -----
: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi Dave, Some more questions on the EE standards: The site gives ample information about a single user license but none on your suggested two user license: So some questions remain: - Are these fonts they searchable ? - Can they be opened in other

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread Anthony Thomson
-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl To:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject:Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Well there is Adobe and Fileopen in that chain, as the license basically works with Adobe reader only. Adobe is a well-known track everything internet operator

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread John Woodgate
In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA48920AA0F@ZEUS.cetest.local, dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl writes: And for those bodies. they act like commercial companies Who looks over their shoulders BTW.? CENELEC, the

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread John Woodgate
In message trinity-548f00aa-a342-4f1d-af57-c98b927472d3-1411569810327@3capp-mailcom -lxa10, dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, Anthony Thomson ton...@europe.com writes: If however you are so concerned by monitoring and surveillance, then perhaps pay the extra and purchase paper copies by mail from BSI.

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread Douglas Nix
Mike, I buy my EN’s from Danish Standards, http://ds.dk/en. Prices are roughly 50% of BSi list, with both English and Danish versions included. I haven’t found a less expensive source for ISO and IEC standards yet, although CSA in Canada has recently started to sell ISO standards at or

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen
You found that in what standard ;) Gert Van: Anthony Thomson [mailto:ton...@europe.com] Verzonden: woensdag 24 september 2014 16:44 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi Gert, You did ask for the most economical source for standards

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread Brian Oconnell
But what if one cannot speak Canadian? Brian From: Douglas Nix [mailto:d...@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:03 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Mike, I buy my EN's from Danish Standards, http://ds.dk/en. Prices are roughly 50% of BSi list

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread John Woodgate
In message FCA549BE3ECF9D4CB8CB8576837EA48920AA11@ZEUS.cetest.local, dated Wed, 24 Sep 2014, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl writes: You found that in what standard   ;) It's obviously one of the IEC TC106 publications, but I think it's a Technical

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread Sundstrom, Mike
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards You found that in what standard ;) Gert Van: Anthony Thomson [mailto:ton...@europe.com] Verzonden: woensdag 24 september 2014 16:44 Aan: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORGmailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Onderwerp: Re: [PSES] Buying

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread Brian Oconnell
Per licensing terms for some sources and some states, not considered 'malpractice'. Brian -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 5:57 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards In message

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-24 Thread Brian Oconnell
...@cetest.nl] Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 6:17 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards Well there is Adobe and Fileopen in that chain, as the license basically works with Adobe reader only. Adobe is a well-known track everything internet operator

[PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-23 Thread Mike Cantwell
Hi all, I have to buy a whole bunch of standards, mostly EN but also a few IEC standards. I’m familiar with BSI and IHS Global, what are the other sources of these standards? and which sources have the lowest prices? I’ll check out any responses I receive and will post a summary list with a

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-23 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
Subject: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi all, I have to buy a whole bunch of standards, mostly EN but also a few IEC standards. I'm familiar with BSI and IHS Global, what are the other sources of these standards? and which sources have the lowest prices? I'll check out any responses I receive

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-23 Thread Bayo
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Buying Standards Hi all, I have to buy a whole bunch of standards, mostly EN but also a few IEC standards. I’m familiar with BSI and IHS Global, what are the other sources of these standards? and which sources have the lowest prices? I’ll

Re: [PSES] Buying Standards

2014-09-23 Thread Nyffenegger, Dave
and no printing restrictions. -Dave From: Nyffenegger, Dave [mailto:dave.nyffeneg...@bhemail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:45 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Buying Standards After being recommended by this forum I've been getting all my standards from Estonia http