Re: [Emc-users] parsing the current language dialect, and describing as BNF

2012-02-19 Thread Erik Christiansen
On 19.02.12 00:29, Kent A. Reed wrote: I see that I last participated on the first of February. I was diagnosed with pneumonia the next day and have been out of it since. And the antibiotics leave you like a wrung-out dishrag too, ISTR. It's great to hear that you have most of that behind you

Re: [Emc-users] Piccolo

2012-02-19 Thread Steve Blackmore
On Sat, 18 Feb 2012 19:28:47 -0800, you wrote: I've seen Briggs and Stratton and other machine decals on eBay made on blank decal paper, using an inkjet printer for the graphics. I suppose one needs water resistant ink, but this should be another DIYable method. No need - you just seal the

Re: [Emc-users] Another OT subject. Milling Vise

2012-02-19 Thread John Thornton
The vises with machined sides are a different model vise designed to be mounted on it's side if needed. http://www.glacern.com/gpv_615 John On 2/18/2012 9:45 AM, John figie wrote: One difference that I see between the Glacern and the Kurt is that the Kurt has machined side rails. Also check

Re: [Emc-users] Another OT subject. Milling Vise

2012-02-19 Thread John Thornton
In that case you need the swivel... John On 2/18/2012 11:24 AM, Mark Cason wrote: On 02/18/2012 08:24 AM, charles green wrote: swivel base = ballast I don't want the swivel, but my Dad does. He likes to Borrow my tools, and most of what he does doesn't really need much accuracy.

[Emc-users] The future of LinuxCNC mailing lists and bug tracking

2012-02-19 Thread Jeff Epler
In the board's original announcement of the rebranding of the project as LinuxCNC, we mentioned a future renaming of the SourceForge project, so that our mailing lists would be under the LinuxCNC name. However, the board has not yet filed this renaming request with sourceforge.net. Instead, we

Re: [Emc-users] The future of LinuxCNC mailing lists and bug tracking

2012-02-19 Thread John Thornton
I'm in favor of option 2 for several reasons: I hate the ads I hate the ads Having to register again is a small price to pay to gain control over our mailing list and improve the bug tracker. bugzilla seems easy to navigate and I like the advanced search function. John On 2/19/2012 7:23 AM,

Re: [Emc-users] The future of LinuxCNC mailing lists and bug tracking

2012-02-19 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, February 19, 2012 08:35:34 AM Jeff Epler did opine: In the board's original announcement of the rebranding of the project as LinuxCNC, we mentioned a future renaming of the SourceForge project, so that our mailing lists would be under the LinuxCNC name. However, the board has not

Re: [Emc-users] Another OT subject. Milling Vise

2012-02-19 Thread John figie
On Feb 19, 2012 6:48 AM, John Thornton bjt...@gmail.com wrote: The vises with machined sides are a different model vise designed to be mounted on it's side if needed. http://www.glacern.com/gpv_615 John On 2/18/2012 9:45 AM, John figie wrote: One difference that I see between the

[Emc-users] OT - decal/paint printing. Re: Piccolo

2012-02-19 Thread John Stewart
Thanks for the ideas; I *believe*, though that: 1) the old dry-transfer lettraset white letters you used to purchase are no longer being produced; 2) decal paper for laser/inkjet printers - you can get it clear or white, but printing white on clear (white lines and old script lettering) is not

Re: [Emc-users] The future of LinuxCNC mailing lists and bug tracking

2012-02-19 Thread Mark Wendt (Contractor)
On 2/19/2012 8:23 AM, Jeff Epler wrote: In the board's original announcement of the rebranding of the project as LinuxCNC, we mentioned a future renaming of the SourceForge project, so that our mailing lists would be under the LinuxCNC name. However, the board has not yet filed this renaming

Re: [Emc-users] parsing the current language dialect, and describing as BNF

2012-02-19 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, I hope my comments on this subject were not understood as discouraging the development of the 'language'. I am in favor of any and all exploration directions. My thoughts were expressed as an example of the worst case scenario. If some type of verification of the calculated code is

Re: [Emc-users] The future of LinuxCNC mailing lists and bug tracking

2012-02-19 Thread Dave
While I am sure that you guys are more than capable of running the server outside of Sourceforge, what always concerns me in situations like this is the dependency on certain people to do certain things without a solid backup plan. If plan A is to have person X run and administer the server,

Re: [Emc-users] The future of LinuxCNC mailing lists and bug tracking

2012-02-19 Thread Michael Haberler
oh;) Am 19.02.2012 um 14:23 schrieb Jeff Epler: * Administer our own mailing lists and bug tracker, eventually closing the sourceforge project. Advantages of this choice include a more powerful bug tracker (probably bugzilla), ad-free My vote goes to option 2 re: bugtracker - my vote

[Emc-users] Why APT?

2012-02-19 Thread Kirk Wallace
In looking at the wiki APT page: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?AptProgrammingForEMC there is a link: http://www.nfrpartners.com/nfraptlang.htm What comes to mind is that APT may not be easier for simple g-code tasks, but if one had a part where features are connected, such as the

Re: [Emc-users] Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/19 Alan Browning ajbrowning2...@yahoo.com: I'm in the beginning stages of planning a DIY CNC machine using Ubuntu and LinuxCNC. The Problematic Hardware section of the doc says that onboard video is problematic. I think that the statement about onboard video cards being problematic is

Re: [Emc-users] Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Alan Browning
Thanks for the quick response. So you build your machines from the ground up with new componenets? Due to budget limitations I have to build things on the cheap. So I was thinking of obtaining a refurbished machine and adding a video card. I think the mainboards that you name are likely to be

Re: [Emc-users] Why APT?

2012-02-19 Thread dave
On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 09:29:29 -0800 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: In looking at the wiki APT page: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?AptProgrammingForEMC there is a link: http://www.nfrpartners.com/nfraptlang.htm What comes to mind is that APT may not be easier

Re: [Emc-users] The future of LinuxCNC mailing lists and bug tracking

2012-02-19 Thread dave
On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 08:58:32 -0800 Kirk Wallace kwall...@wallacecompany.com wrote: On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 07:23 -0600, Jeff Epler wrote: In the board's original announcement of the rebranding of the project as LinuxCNC, we mentioned a future renaming of the SourceForge project, so that our

Re: [Emc-users] Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/2/19 Alan Browning ajbrowning2...@yahoo.com: Thanks for the quick response. So you build your machines from the ground up with new componenets? Due to budget limitations I have to build things on the cheap. 2 of those machines were completely new builds, 2 were retrofits, one of the

Re: [Emc-users] The future of LinuxCNC mailing lists and bug tracking

2012-02-19 Thread Jon Elson
Jeff Epler wrote: a future renaming of the SourceForge project, so that our mailing lists would be under the LinuxCNC name. Ideally, this discussion will result in a clear consensus of the community. If there is not a clear consensus, the board will take into account community comments and

Re: [Emc-users] Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Greg Bernard
For what it's worth, I have had good luck with older Dell Optiplex P4 machines. But I think I will go for one of the mini-itx motherboards in the future given that they are relatively inexpensive and small enough that I could squeeze one into my controller box and free up some real estate in my

Re: [Emc-users] Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Jon Elson
Alan Browning wrote: I'm in the beginning stages of planning a DIY CNC machine using Ubuntu and LinuxCNC. The Problematic Hardware section of the doc says that onboard video is problematic. And it says that the nVidia video card with native drivers is problematic as well. The doc says to

Re: [Emc-users] Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Dave
It is difficult to generalize, but on many existing older PCs you can remove the existing motherboard and replace it with a D525MW. The D525MW does not have an IDE drive interface so if you want to reuse the hard drive and CD rom etc, you need to make sure the existing PC has a SATA hard drive

[Emc-users] Latency - was Re: Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Dropout
A quick question, does latency matter for servo drives? Dropout. On 2/19/2012 1:36 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2012/2/19 Alan Browningajbrowning2...@yahoo.com: Thanks for the quick response. So you build your machines from the ground up with new componenets? Due to budget limitations I have to

Re: [Emc-users] Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Alan Browning
I'll take your advice. I can afford investments of my time more than investments of my money at this point. Alan From: Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, February 19,

Re: [Emc-users] Latency - was Re: Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Dropout wrote: Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 13:45:41 -0500 From: Dropout drop...@sympatico.ca Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Emc-users] Latency -

Re: [Emc-users] Latency - was Re: Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Dropout
Thanks. On 2/19/2012 2:51 PM, Peter C. Wallace wrote: On Sun, 19 Feb 2012, Dropout wrote: Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 13:45:41 -0500 From: Dropoutdrop...@sympatico.ca Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller

Re: [Emc-users] Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 2/19/2012 12:51 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2012/2/19 Alan Browningajbrowning2...@yahoo.com: I'm in the beginning stages of planning a DIY CNC machine using Ubuntu and LinuxCNC. The Problematic Hardware section of the doc says that onboard video is problematic. I think that the statement

Re: [Emc-users] OT - decal/paint printing. Re: Piccolo

2012-02-19 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 2/19/2012 9:57 AM, John Stewart wrote: Thanks for the ideas; I *believe*, though that: 1) the old dry-transfer lettraset white letters you used to purchase are no longer being produced; 2) decal paper for laser/inkjet printers - you can get it clear or white, but printing white on

Re: [Emc-users] OT - decal/paint printing. Re: Piccolo

2012-02-19 Thread John Prentice
I've never used it and I see from the website that the cost could mount up (maybe you could amortize the cost over a group of like-minded enthusiasts?), but the DecalProfx product from PulsarProfx (www.pulsarfx.com) explicitly states Make REAL dry-transfer (eg. rub down) decals with no

Re: [Emc-users] Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 09:41 -0800, Alan Browning wrote: ... snip What do people do for card/driver combinations? I recently blew up a couple of my LinuxCNC PC's and and to rummage through my pile of old PC stuff in order to get LinuxCNC running in my office again. It seems at one time,

[Emc-users] CAM Post-processors: how much of the specification(s) do they span?

2012-02-19 Thread Kent A. Reed
Gentle persons: Eric said of my recent bout of pneumonia, [A]nd the antibiotics leave you like a wrung-out dishrag too, ISTR. Truer words were never spoken. While lazing about, I visited www.camzone.org for the first time. As I understand it, the site was created by and most of the blog

Re: [Emc-users] OT - decal/paint printing. Re: Piccolo

2012-02-19 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 2/19/2012 4:34 PM, John Prentice wrote: I've never used it and I see from the website that the cost could mount up (maybe you could amortize the cost over a group of like-minded enthusiasts?), but the DecalProfx product from PulsarProfx (www.pulsarfx.com) explicitly states Make REAL

Re: [Emc-users] Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Sun, 2012-02-19 at 14:14 -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: ...snip $55 and free shipping. It's an FIC 845GV: http://www.fic.com.tw/product/motherboard/intel/P4I-845GV.aspx Oops, that's the wrong motherboard. This link is better: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mobile/display/fic-samba1845.html

Re: [Emc-users] CAM Post-processors: how much of the specification(s) do they span?

2012-02-19 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen, Postprocessors are written for specific controls. The post generator is the key. The post generator can be a person or a combination of an application and a person. In CAM (any CAM) there are separate processes. The NC programmer uses the CAM application to generate a cutter

Re: [Emc-users] CAM Post-processors: how much of the specification(s) do they span?

2012-02-19 Thread Kenneth Lerman
On 2/19/2012 5:31 PM, Kent A. Reed wrote: Gentle persons: Eric said of my recent bout of pneumonia, [A]nd the antibiotics leave you like a wrung-out dishrag too, ISTR. Truer words were never spoken. While lazing about, I visited www.camzone.org for the first time. As I understand it, the

Re: [Emc-users] Latency - was Re: Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Jon Elson
Dropout wrote: A quick question, does latency matter for servo drives? Yes, absolutely. But, it is not as critical. For software stepping, the base thread is typically around 20 us, and so a jitter of even 5 us is more than noticeable. But, on a typical servo system (or a stepper with

Re: [Emc-users] Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Jon Elson
Greg Bernard wrote: For what it's worth, I have had good luck with older Dell Optiplex P4 machines. Yup, I agree, the older ones were quite good. Such units as GX110 up to the GX260 have worked quite well with the on-board video. You probably want at least a 1 GHz CPU and 256 MB of memory,

Re: [Emc-users] Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Jon Elson
Dave wrote: It is difficult to generalize, but on many existing older PCs you can remove the existing motherboard and replace it with a D525MW. The D525MW does not have an IDE drive interface so if you want to reuse the hard drive and CD rom etc, you need to make sure the existing PC has a

[Emc-users] Which video card/driver for LinuxCNC?

2012-02-19 Thread Roland Jollivet
I'm not qualified to comment here, but; With the continual difficulty with video drivers and other bits affecting latency, who not split the the functionality. I don't mean a headless system, just extending the neck. A partial mitosis. This way, the motion controller part will work on almost any