Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: Chris Albertson [mailto:albertson.ch...@gmail.com] > > I think his method would work for your mill. Yes the tool pushed the > table and the table moves. How does he know the table moves? Unless the encoder is a scale physically connected to the table he has no feedback on where

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread Sam Sokolik
I think it is just easy to have 2 pid's and sum them.. (one on the motor encoder with P,D and feed forward - the other with scales and the I term) Then you are not re-writing the pid component for some odd corner case. sam On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 10:36 PM gene heskett wrote: > On Monday,

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 3, 2022 11:00:54 PM EST Sam Sokolik wrote: > I think this just would work with linuxcnc and scales + motor encoders. > WIth the scales using only I in the 2 pid loops - it would be constantly > correcting backlash to keep the position.. (that is what the G did) > > sam Or,

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 3, 2022 11:00:54 PM EST Sam Sokolik wrote: > I think this just would work with linuxcnc and scales + motor encoders. > WIth the scales using only I in the 2 pid loops - it would be constantly > correcting backlash to keep the position.. (that is what the G did) > > sam This

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread Sam Sokolik
I think this just would work with linuxcnc and scales + motor encoders. WIth the scales using only I in the 2 pid loops - it would be constantly correcting backlash to keep the position.. (that is what the G did) sam On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 9:50 PM Chris Albertson wrote: > I think his method

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread Chris Albertson
I think his method would work for your mill. Yes the tool pushed the table and the table moves. What he does is not just a double loop. He models the movement of the table and predicts how it will move.To do this on a mill you would need encoders on the table and then run a calibration

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread John Dammeyer
Interesting concept. I notice that although he showed his finger pushing on the jaws (and text said compensation turned off) we never saw him disturb the jaws with compensation on. That he can position accurately is pretty cool. But backlash on my X axis results in the milling cutter pulling

Re: [Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread Sam Sokolik
This has been done at a bigger scale... (2 feedback loops) https://web.archive.org/web/20160222165548/http://jmkasunich.com/cgi-bin/blosxom/shoptask/wichita-trip-02-20-08.html http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Combining_Two_Feedback_Devices_On_One_Axis On Mon, Jan 3, 2022, 8:42 PM Chris

[Emc-users] Very good software backlash control demo.

2022-01-03 Thread Chris Albertson
CNC is about precision motion control. Here is a new idea where this builder gets 0.05mm accuracy but uses hobby level R/C servo Not only that, but he connects three of these in series, one to the next to the next so all the backlashes and poor tolerances add together. Then he uses this to do

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2022-01-03 Thread John Dammeyer
That patent mentions the need for a sun gear. Not sure it's exactly the same since this one doesn't. > -Original Message- > From: fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users [mailto:emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net] > Sent: January-03-22 10:47 AM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Cc:

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2022-01-03 Thread John Dammeyer
Likely for the 0.5 module setup these would work. https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-6812ZZ-Groove-Bearings-Shielded/dp/B082PQ1NCY/ref=pd_sbs_1/136-5776133-4069347 They have an ID of 60mm which is what I set the 0.5module ring gear OD to. So one could make the ring gear body a bit wider with a raised

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2022-01-03 Thread Chris Albertson
Large ring bearings are not crazy-expensive. I was thinking about using some in a robot leg design. This one could work for your size reduction drive. Use them in pairs spaced as far apart as possible. They are deep groove so they can take some axial load. With wide enough spacing you don't

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2022-01-03 Thread fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022, John Dammeyer wrote: > Just go back on this subject to older postings from Todd where he posted the > FreeCAD files. I then used those to create step files and loaded them into > AlibreCAD. Since then I've figured out how to make gears in AlibreCAD which > had a Python

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2022-01-03 Thread John Dammeyer
Just go back on this subject to older postings from Todd where he posted the FreeCAD files. I then used those to create step files and loaded them into AlibreCAD. Since then I've figured out how to make gears in AlibreCAD which had a Python Script that used diameter and # of teeth. I

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2022-01-03 Thread fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users
I believe some of you have a Grizzly G0602 lathe. I need to replace the head stock bearings. Some years back there was a mailing list on yahoo for 10x22 grizzly. I seem to remember there was talk of upgrading to taper roller bearings. Has anyone here done that? Does it sound like a good idea or

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2022-01-03 Thread grumpy via Emc-users
January 3, 2022 9:54:10 AM CET John Dammeyer wrote: For fun I created Todd's version with 0.5module gears. The OD of the assembly is now 60mm compared to 150mm. It would now be possible to choose a far east harmonic drive tapered roller assembly to hold the driven gear in place. Although they

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2022-01-03 Thread andy pugh
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 at 08:57, John Dammeyer wrote: > > and then some sort of broaching/indexing to create the two ring gears Have you seen: https://youtu.be/VJOem40ggkI?t=1167 (Home-shop gear skiving) -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed for the

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic Drive

2022-01-03 Thread John Dammeyer
For fun I created Todd's version with 0.5module gears. The OD of the assembly is now 60mm compared to 150mm. It would now be possible to choose a far east harmonic drive tapered roller assembly to hold the driven gear in place. Although they are expensive. Not sure what type of bearings,