Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-28 Thread gene heskett
On Tuesday, December 28, 2021 12:45:44 PM EST Kenneth Lerman wrote: > Hi Gene, > > Don't give up your only ethernet port. Instead, add one with a $10 USB > dongle. > > Regards, Ken > > Kenneth Lerman > 55 Main Street > Newtown, CT 06470 > But but but, all my usb ports are already occupied. The

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-28 Thread Kenneth Lerman
Hi Gene, Don't give up your only ethernet port. Instead, add one with a $10 USB dongle. Regards, Ken Kenneth Lerman 55 Main Street Newtown, CT 06470 On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 4:37 PM gene heskett wrote: > On Sunday, December 26, 2021 1:30:42 PM EST John Dammeyer wrote: > > Hi Mark, > > I'll

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-27 Thread Sam Sokolik
wow - that was a walk down memory lane.. JohnK, JonE and Peter all posted in those threads... On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 7:16 PM Sam Sokolik wrote: > Hmm - I mean - if you want to do a ton of reading - you can watch the > journey... This was a big project because it originally was 2.5 axis >

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-27 Thread Sam Sokolik
Hmm - I mean - if you want to do a ton of reading - you can watch the journey... This was a big project because it originally was 2.5 axis hydraulic servos. https://www.cnczone.com/forums/linuxcnc-formerly-emc2-/25929-large-brushed-servo-setup-cheap-wip.html then

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-27 Thread John Dammeyer
Web Link? > From: Sam Sokolik [mailto:samco...@gmail.com] > > Lol.. let me do that again... > > The Kearney and Trecker has at least 96 i\o and 5+ analog axis. Everything > (and I mean everything) is controlled within LinuxCNC using classic ladder, > Hal and one poorly written realtime

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-27 Thread Sam Sokolik
Lol.. let me do that again... The Kearney and Trecker has at least 96 i\o and 5+ analog axis. Everything (and I mean everything) is controlled within LinuxCNC using classic ladder, Hal and one poorly written realtime component to do the spindle shifting. Been 100% stable for years. Sam On Mon,

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-27 Thread Sam Sokolik
The Kearney and trecker On Mon, Dec 27, 2021, 5:33 PM Feral Engineer wrote: > The pay walls, axis limits and markups on accessories are the reasons I > avoided centroid. > > The thing I love most about Linuxcnc is the flexibility, reliability and > yes, classicladder - or at least ladder based

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-27 Thread Feral Engineer
The pay walls, axis limits and markups on accessories are the reasons I avoided centroid. The thing I love most about Linuxcnc is the flexibility, reliability and yes, classicladder - or at least ladder based plc in general, which makes it incredibly easy to figure out for someone with an

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-27 Thread gene heskett
On Sunday, December 26, 2021 1:30:42 PM EST John Dammeyer wrote: > Hi Mark, > I'll summarize your basic premise here that all machines are different. > That's true! > > And MACH2/3/4 has a huge user base without ever needing a command line > editor. So if it can be done for Windows then

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-27 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: Stuart Stevenson [mailto:stus...@gmail.com] > LinuxCNC is not Staples. There is no Big Red easy button. Doesn't mean that there can't be a Big Red easy button for a basic install. > A lot of words to say this. The LinuxCNC developers (past and present) give > their time and effort to this

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-27 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Heh - this has been a fun read! My first experience on a retrofit was on the little sister to the Blue Cinci I put LinuxCNC on. Around 1998/99 I put OpenCNC on the Cinci's I had. When I had the first one up and running we had a Fanuc tech in the shop working on one of the machines. In

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-27 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: Mark [mailto:wendt.m...@gmail.com] > > The excuses that will be made for no documentation will be the same ones > > given for command line operation of Linux and LCNC. > It's much better than windows or it's self documenting. You just have to > learn a few commands and you can do so much

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-27 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
I used to want a Denford ORAC but I found a forum thread where someone took one apart to refurbish it and it's just a modified clone of the EMCO 8x20, which has also been widely cloned as the common 9x20 with a 1/2" increase in center height. For the ORAC the back end of the cross slide is cut

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-27 Thread Mark
On 12/26/21 1:30 PM, John Dammeyer wrote: Hi Mark, I'll summarize your basic premise here that all machines are different. That's true! And MACH2/3/4 has a huge user base without ever needing a command line editor. So if it can be done for Windows then certainly it can be done for LCNC.

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-26 Thread Bari
that deep, they are already using LCNC. John -Original Message- From: Bari [mailto:bari00...@gmail.com] Sent: December-26-21 2:28 PM To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions On 12/26/21 09:22, Andy Pugh wrote: To get back to the original

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-26 Thread John Dammeyer
cember-26-21 2:28 PM > To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions > > On 12/26/21 09:22, Andy Pugh wrote: > > > > > To get back to the original subject if this thread: > > > > I think that could be done for so

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-26 Thread Bari
On 12/26/21 09:22, Andy Pugh wrote: To get back to the original subject if this thread: I think that could be done for some hardware. Emco Compact 5 Denford Orac Maho MH500? Any other suggestions? ie, reasonably common machines with reasonably fixed hardware.

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-26 Thread Bari
Have you considered adding to the LCNC wiki or adding your Youtube links to help those just starting out in CNC? ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-26 Thread John Dammeyer
rceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions > > On 12/25/21 12:59 PM, John Dammeyer wrote > > > LinuxCNC is a GNU user space component until you add the Real Time side of > > things to provide determinism which then makes it > again a combin

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-26 Thread Robin Szemeti via Emc-users
The Bridgeport "Interact" series? Readily available on Fleabay and not stupid money either. On Sun, 26 Dec 2021 at 15:22, Andy Pugh wrote: > > > > On 26 Dec 2021, at 13:44, Mark wrote: > > > >> stallation or do a number of standard operations. > > > > Sure. As long as you can guarantee that

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-26 Thread Andy Pugh
> On 26 Dec 2021, at 13:44, Mark wrote: > >> stallation or do a number of standard operations. > > Sure. As long as you can guarantee that every single machine manufactured, > designed, built in someones garage or basement will be identical to each and > every other machine out there. To

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-26 Thread Mark
On 12/25/21 12:59 PM, John Dammeyer wrote LinuxCNC is a GNU user space component until you add the Real Time side of things to provide determinism which then makes it again a combination of GNU/Linux with a user space component that is LCNC with a variety of user interfaces. And my point of

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-25 Thread gene heskett
On Saturday, December 25, 2021 1:01:03 PM EST dave engvall wrote: > I'd be lost w/o a command line editor. vi may be vile but vim can be > surprising useful. My feeble brain still can't get configurations that > work with a gui type configure. I'll gladly take a framework and > modifiy it to

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-25 Thread dave engvall
I'd be lost w/o a command line editor. vi may be vile but vim can be surprising useful. My feeble brain still can't get configurations that work with a gui type  configure.  I'll gladly take a framework and modifiy it to suit my needs. Wish list: smoother motion probably via sine wave,

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-25 Thread John Dammeyer
Merry Christmas everyone! I was probably dumb to start this topic because it's turning into a "Linux is wonderful and why doesn't everyone see that?" stream of comments. Maybe start with some definitions of what exactly an OS (Operating System) is? 1. Serves as an interface between computer

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-25 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 25 Dec 2021 at 10:39, andrew beck wrote: > It needs a few things (mainly a jerk control algorithm). And tool > Management stuff. More work offsets etc. You might have missed: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/tooldatabase/tooldatabase.html -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-25 Thread Mark
On 12/24/21 6:10 PM, Chris Albertson wrote: No, RT patches are not a waste of time. But using something as big as a Linux based PC to drive a machine is not going to be popular today and will be even less so in 10 years. 40 years ago the PC is the only affordable computer that had enough

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-25 Thread andrew beck
> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 10:51:24 -0800 >> > From: Chris Albertson >> > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" >> > >> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" < >> emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net> >> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-25 Thread andrew beck
t; > Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 10:51:24 -0800 > > From: Chris Albertson > > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions > > >

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-25 Thread gene heskett
On Friday, December 24, 2021 6:47:33 PM EST John Dammeyer wrote: > I think we perhaps need to take a step back before this turns into a series > of unworkable positions. [...] > The basic setup screens for LinuxCNC for either parallel port or Peter's > MESA stuff is amazing and simple until you

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-24 Thread John Dammeyer
December-24-21 3:10 PM > To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions > > No, RT patches are not a waste of time. But using something as big as a > Linux based PC to drive a machine is not going to be popular today and > will be ev

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-24 Thread Chris Albertson
No, RT patches are not a waste of time. But using something as big as a Linux based PC to drive a machine is not going to be popular today and will be even less so in 10 years. 40 years ago the PC is the only affordable computer that had enough compute power. This is not longer true. we now

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-24 Thread Feral Engineer
> > > > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" > > > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions > > > > The problem that is limiting LCNC's wider use is that it is a very old > design. It is definitely not what anyone would desig

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-24 Thread Peter C. Wallace
On Fri, 24 Dec 2021, Chris Albertson wrote: Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 10:51:24 -0800 From: Chris Albertson Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions The problem that is limit

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-24 Thread Stuart Stevenson
My first experience with NC/CNC was in 1978 on a 1958 Cleereman VMC with a GE Mark Century 100 control. That makes the technology over 61 years old. The control enclosure sitting beside the machine was 6 X 6 X 5 feet. The cooling unit was a LARGE household AC window unit. There were 100's of 4 X 6

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-24 Thread Murray Lindeblom
I agree that an iPad or tablet appears to be an excellent user interface. The motion controlling portion is the only portion of the code that needs to be synchronised. Real-time operating systems can be used or the playback approach are alternatives. The advantage this group has is assisting

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-24 Thread Sam Sokolik
Hmm.. so the realtime patches being integrated into Linux kernel is worthless old technology? They are waisting their time? (This is unrelated to LinuxCNC) Currently LinuxCNC is being added to debian testing. It will soon be part of the debian repository. On Fri, Dec 24, 2021, 12:54 PM Chris

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-24 Thread Chris Albertson
The problem that is limiting LCNC's wider use is that it is a very old design. It is definitely not what anyone would design today. And it is not what moderned users expect or want. Documentation i=will not change what it is. Today, if this were being built again from scratch it would Run

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-24 Thread John Dammeyer
> From: Andy Pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > > On 24 Dec 2021, at 10:46, J�r�mie Tarot wrote: > > > > "my" idea along this line would be to develop/document > > a set of "reference implementations" > > There are some case studies in the Wiki. However these are probably rather > out of date

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-24 Thread Murray Lindeblom
That's great information! Is there a tabulation of data such as your HAL scope results comparing the merits of commonly used CNC control programs. Murray On Thu, 23 Dec 2021 at 15:51, Sam Sokolik wrote: > Because linuxcnc is so flexible - I actually did some testing between mach3 > and

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-24 Thread Peter Hodgson
Yes, I definitely think the more ‘Plug & Playable’ LCNC options there are the more it will be adopted and the more the community will develop and be supported as some PnP users get more interested/confident and delve deeper into LCNC. My own LCNC journey started from zero. Not knowing what a

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-24 Thread Andy Pugh
> On 24 Dec 2021, at 10:46, Jérémie Tarot wrote: > > "my" idea along this line would be to develop/document > a set of "reference implementations" There are some case studies in the Wiki. However these are probably rather out of date and are probably not at the level you envisage.

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-24 Thread Jérémie Tarot
Hi, Le jeu. 23 déc. 2021 à 20:05, John Dammeyer a écrit : > ... But I wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea in the new year to develop a > build thread that takes a beginner through conversion of a mill to LCNC so > it appears to be turnkey like the perhaps the ACORN CNC approach. > > Comments?

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-23 Thread Sam Sokolik
Because linuxcnc is so flexible - I actually did some testing between mach3 and linuxcnc when the new trajectory planner was being developed.. http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NewTrajectoryControl This is using linuxcnc to sample the step/direction signals from mach and linuxcnc to plot

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-23 Thread Murray Lindeblom
I think there is more fear of the unknown rather than any technical challenge in using a Linux based solution. It's a new TV remote with different colored buttons. My concern is the precision of the resulting work using a solution that does not have real-time response to the control devices

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-23 Thread Bruce Layne
I love that LinuxCNC is hacker friendly and can be customized as needed, but I also think it'd be great if there was a simple generic plug-and-play solution for a 3 axis mill or router and another for a lathe.  It's all some people would need and it'd go a long way toward lowering the initial

Re: [Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-23 Thread Matthew Herd
I think it's a great idea, I've had a lot of the same thoughts in the past. Mach3 was traditionally the "go to" solution instead of the Acorn CNC unit due to ease of implementation. I haven't tried either, but agree that LinuxCNC has a steep learning curve. And that comes as a prior hobbyist

[Emc-users] Choice of CNC conversions

2021-12-23 Thread John Dammeyer
Everyone is probably partying or drinking egg nog this close to Christmas but on one of the local metal groups a new member posted that he was converting his mill to CNC. His first posting: "Just doing a cnc conversion to my Craftex knee mill, using the Acorn cnc board and Clearpath Nema 34