Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-16 Thread Michael Haberler
I have some work in progress which enables workpiece Z correction by loading a mesh of probe points into kins. It was inspired by the recent thread on warped PCB board milling. this isnt ready yet, but a starter for the interested:

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-16 Thread gene heskett
On Monday, January 16, 2012 05:16:05 AM Michael Haberler did opine: I have some work in progress which enables workpiece Z correction by loading a mesh of probe points into kins. It was inspired by the recent thread on warped PCB board milling. this isnt ready yet, but a starter for the

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-16 Thread Michael Haberler
Sounds like a job for probekins.. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/31345/focus=31389 .. I just seem to have skipped, how exactly the surface mesh file is created by probing the surface in certain points. that will be a Delaunay triangulation of the probe

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-12 Thread andy pugh
On 12 January 2012 07:22, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: Apparently my freebie copy of eagle has timed out, the screen it opens is about 75% transparent and extremely bleached out, rendering it unusable. Have you tried DesignSpark under Wine? Though gEDA might be a better bet, being

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-12 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 1/12/2012 2:22 AM, gene heskett wrote: ... But, now there is a new CadSoft Eagle problem for all of us that renders the whole project moot. Apparently my freebie copy of eagle has timed out, the screen it opens is about 75% transparent and extremely bleached out, rendering it unusable.

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage (CncPcb Makefile)

2012-01-12 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 1/11/2012 7:35 PM, gene heskett wrote: On Wednesday, January 11, 2012 07:01:30 PM Kirk Wallace did opine: On Wed, 2012-01-11 at 14:30 -0500, gene heskett wrote: ... snip So the question then is what kind of wax? Paraffin would soften a bit fast come summer heat IMO. Beeswax

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-12 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:22 AM, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: -rw-r--r-- 1 gene gene 4656 2012-01-11 16:23 emit_gcode.c -rw-r--r-- 1 gene gene 291 2012-01-11 16:29 Makefile -rw-r--r-- 1 gene gene 24585 2012-01-11 16:23 plt2g.c -rw-r--r-- 1 gene gene 1407 2012-01-11 16:23 plt2g.h

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-12 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:58:26 PM Kent A. Reed did opine: On 1/12/2012 2:22 AM, gene heskett wrote: ... But, now there is a new CadSoft Eagle problem for all of us that renders the whole project moot. Apparently my freebie copy of eagle has timed out, the screen it opens is

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage (CncPcb Makefile)

2012-01-12 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, January 12, 2012 01:04:12 PM Kent A. Reed did opine: On 1/11/2012 7:35 PM, gene heskett wrote: On Wednesday, January 11, 2012 07:01:30 PM Kirk Wallace did opine: On Wed, 2012-01-11 at 14:30 -0500, gene heskett wrote: ... snip So the question then is what kind of

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-12 Thread andy pugh
On 12 January 2012 17:55, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: That still needs the chemistry.  Lets just say that disposing of about 3 gallons of well spent ferric chloride, diluted with at least 1000 gallons of water, was sufficient to put a new medium sized cities sewage plant that had

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-12 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, January 12, 2012 03:23:23 PM andy pugh did opine: On 12 January 2012 17:55, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: That still needs the chemistry. Lets just say that disposing of about 3 gallons of well spent ferric chloride, diluted with at least 1000 gallons of water, was

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 January 2012 05:53, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: I've read the pages about mapping screws, but ANAICT, that can only correct the same axis for errors and wear in that axis's drive, but I don't see a way to make z move as y moves. Sounds like a job for probekins..

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/11 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 11 January 2012 05:53, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: I've read the pages about mapping screws, but ANAICT, that can only correct the same axis for errors and wear in that axis's drive, but I don't see a way to make z move as y moves. Sounds

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 January 2012 10:46, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: I just seem to have skipped, how exactly the surface mesh file is created by probing the surface in certain points. In this case gene can simply hand-edit an STL file. To generate one from probe data, one option would be

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/11 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 11 January 2012 10:46, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: I just seem to have skipped, how exactly the surface mesh file is created by probing the surface in certain points. In this case gene can simply hand-edit an STL file. To

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread Roland Jollivet
Hi Gene Why not up to speed with Eagle, albeit a horrible package. This has all been done ! The free version of eagle should suffice. There is an automatic g-code generator. Thats the best part. And some guys have written apps to probe the board prior to milling, to correct for undulations. If

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, January 11, 2012 06:14:40 AM Edward Bernard did opine: Here you can read how Phil Moore of PMinMO.com takes care of the hold-down problem: http://millpcbs.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=17Ite mid=46. No need to make it more complicated than necessary. I have

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, January 11, 2012 07:01:55 AM Viesturs Lācis did opine: 2012/1/11 gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: Is there a way to couple the y axis position to a small z axis shift so that the engraving tool will stay within a thou or so of the correct depth relative to the warped pcb's

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, January 11, 2012 07:22:45 AM andy pugh did opine: On 11 January 2012 10:46, Viesturs Lؤپcis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: I just seem to have skipped, how exactly the surface mesh file is created by probing the surface in certain points. In this case gene can simply

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, January 11, 2012 07:24:58 AM Viesturs Lācis did opine: 2012/1/11 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 11 January 2012 10:46, Viesturs Lؤپcis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: I just seem to have skipped, how exactly the surface mesh file is created by probing the surface in

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, January 11, 2012 07:39:33 AM Roland Jollivet did opine: Hi Gene Why not up to speed with Eagle, albeit a horrible package. This has all been done ! The free version of eagle should suffice. There is an automatic g-code generator. Thats the best part. And some guys have

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread Roland Jollivet
Here's a post just got from Dan Andersson on the pcb-gcode forum. __ Eagle - eat your heart out! I just started a test of the TARGET 3000 pcb design software. I get EMC2 code out directly from the software AND! there are no practical limitation in

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, January 11, 2012 08:28:18 AM Roland Jollivet did opine: Here's a post just got from Dan Andersson on the pcb-gcode forum. __ Eagle - eat your heart out! I just started a test of the TARGET 3000 pcb design software. I get EMC2

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread Jon Elson
Edward Bernard wrote: Here you can read how Phil Moore of PMinMO.com takes care of the hold-down problem: http://millpcbs.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=17Itemid=46. No need to make it more complicated than necessary. I made a fixture plate with a 1 grid of threaded

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2012-01-11 at 12:26 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: ... snip I made a fixture plate with a 1 grid of threaded holes, and clamps that have a claw at the end. When set up properly, only the tip touches the work. The idea is that if you clamp the PC board a bit in from the edge, the pressure

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, January 11, 2012 02:04:07 PM Jon Elson did opine: Edward Bernard wrote: Here you can read how Phil Moore of PMinMO.com takes care of the hold-down problem: http://millpcbs.com/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=17I temid=46. No need to make it more complicated than

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, January 11, 2012 02:24:20 PM Kirk Wallace did opine: On Wed, 2012-01-11 at 12:26 -0600, Jon Elson wrote: ... snip I made a fixture plate with a 1 grid of threaded holes, and clamps that have a claw at the end. When set up properly, only the tip touches the work. The

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread Kirk Wallace
On Wed, 2012-01-11 at 14:30 -0500, gene heskett wrote: ... snip So the question then is what kind of wax? Paraffin would soften a bit fast come summer heat IMO. Beeswax perhaps? Nice sticky, takes a bit more heat IIRC. Cheers, Gene I started with cyanoacrylate, which is stiff, but

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread Eric Keller
there is actually mounting wax that is made for this purpose. Its a hard wax that melts at about 200F. I have used it to mount non-ferrous metals to a steel fixture for surface grinding. We have also used it to mount glass for cylindrical grinding. If needed, it cleans up with acetone. I'm

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread andy pugh
On 11 January 2012 19:30, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: That sounds neat Kirk, and a hair dryer can supply the heat, I like that as I already have the milled flat wooden (and insulating) jig clamped up.  So the question then is what kind of wax?  Paraffin would soften a bit fast come

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, January 11, 2012 07:01:30 PM Kirk Wallace did opine: On Wed, 2012-01-11 at 14:30 -0500, gene heskett wrote: ... snip So the question then is what kind of wax? Paraffin would soften a bit fast come summer heat IMO. Beeswax perhaps? Nice sticky, takes a bit more

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread gene heskett
On Wednesday, January 11, 2012 08:00:55 PM andy pugh did opine: On 11 January 2012 19:30, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: That sounds neat Kirk, and a hair dryer can supply the heat, I like that as I already have the milled flat wooden (and insulating) jig clamped up. So the

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread Przemek Klosowski
On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:35 PM, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: I've looked at the Makefile its no resemblance to any Makefile I ever saw. When I try to run the make, I get this: gene@shop:~/pcb-gcode$ make ssh phk mkdir -p www/CncPcb chmod 644 www/CncPcb/* || true ssh: connect

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread Roland Jollivet
On 12 January 2012 06:25, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:35 PM, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: I've looked at the Makefile its no resemblance to any Makefile I ever saw. When I try to run the make, I get this:

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, January 12, 2012 01:10:46 AM Przemek Klosowski did opine: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:35 PM, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: I've looked at the Makefile its no resemblance to any Makefile I ever saw. When I try to run the make, I get this: gene@shop:~/pcb-gcode$ make

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-11 Thread gene heskett
On Thursday, January 12, 2012 02:22:50 AM Roland Jollivet did opine: On 12 January 2012 06:25, Przemek Klosowski przemek.klosow...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 7:35 PM, gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote: I've looked at the Makefile its no resemblance to any Makefile I

[Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-10 Thread gene heskett
Hello all; In carving these pcb's for the encoder, I only have room to clamp one edge, the back edge of the pcb. I carved a dead flat pocket about 30 thou deep and slightly larger than the raw pcb material, gouging out the left front corner so the board, when pulled left forward, isn't

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-10 Thread Edward Bernard
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 11:53 PM Subject: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage. Hello all; In carving these pcb's for the encoder, I only have room to clamp one edge, the back edge of the pcb. I carved a dead flat

Re: [Emc-users] Correcting for workpiece warpage.

2012-01-10 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/1/11 gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com: Is there a way to couple the y axis position to a small z axis shift so that the engraving tool will stay within a thou or so of the correct depth relative to the warped pcb's surface by driving the z deeper as y moves the table forward to work on the