Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-25 Thread amtb
Hi I thing we uncovered all potential problem for slow speed machine. Here a will use more refined numbers and it looks more close to real situation. Minimum counts to controller about 30 pulses per second. Or 1800 counts per minute. One revolution is 8192 pulses. So, per minute I will have

[Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-23 Thread Ian W. Wright
Is there some reason why simple worm and wheel drives won't work here - even two or three stages with backlash adjusted out? Ian Ian W. Wright Sheffield UK - This SF.net email is sponsored by:

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-23 Thread amtb
look design of harmonic derive. it is compact and small. you do not want to have huge gear reduction box on the machines. space are limited too. Is there some reason why simple worm and wheel drives won't work here - even two or three stages with backlash adjusted out? Ian

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-23 Thread Andre' Blanchard
I think you should consider building a simple test slide, with guides, ball screw, servo, and a simple timing belt and pulley reduction. That way you can try different reduction ratios and encoder resolutions and measure the speeds you can get and how smooth the motion is. I think you will find

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-23 Thread Kenneth Lerman
It is my understanding that in a grinding machine: 1 -- Cutting forces are low. 2 -- Backlash is generally not important. 3 -- Smoothness of motion is very important. I would suggest that before you worry about how to drive the components in slow motion, you should tell us how you plan to

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-23 Thread Dave Engvall
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 9:36 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. Machine make up to 1 inch in diameter and 6 inch long

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-23 Thread amtb
travel at feed 0.001 will be geometry of 1 inch end mill, with length of end mill 4 inch. 0.001 /min it is cutting feed only. rapid to new position will be much faster. It is my understanding that in a grinding machine: 1 -- Cutting forces are low. 2 -- Backlash is generally not important.

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-23 Thread Kenneth Lerman
A simple solution is to use a dual drive. Use a course mechanism with long travel for course positioning and a fine mechanism with limited travel for fine positioning. The fine mechanism has a large mechanical advantage and can use a smaller motor and driver. Of course, some sort of clutch

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-23 Thread John Kasunich
Kenneth Lerman wrote: A simple solution is to use a dual drive. Use a course mechanism with long travel for course positioning and a fine mechanism with limited travel for fine positioning. The fine mechanism has a large mechanical advantage and can use a smaller motor and driver. Of

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-23 Thread Ray Henry
Good thinking Ken. Till built a dual drive sort of thing several years ago to test some special kinematics. http://www.audiflitzer.de/mixer.html HTH Rayh On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 14:57 -0400, Kenneth Lerman wrote: A simple solution is to use a dual drive. Use a course mechanism with long

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-23 Thread Peter C. Wallace
] Harmonic gear and EMC2. Good thinking Ken. Till built a dual drive sort of thing several years ago to test some special kinematics. http://www.audiflitzer.de/mixer.html HTH Rayh I wonder if a Piezoelectric actuator could be used for the fine motion? They seem to go up to a few mills

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-23 Thread Jon Elson
John Kasunich wrote: Kenneth Lerman wrote: A simple solution is to use a dual drive. Use a course mechanism with long travel for course positioning and a fine mechanism with limited travel for fine positioning. The fine mechanism has a large mechanical advantage and can use a smaller motor

[Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-22 Thread amtb
I am building CNC tool grinder. The feed for tool grinder should be from 0.00025 to 0.001 of the inch per minute. The servo motor must perform at this feed perfect to make a good grinding job. I will use direct drive and my ball screw has 5 pitch per inch. So talking in degrees, 5 times 360 =

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-22 Thread Ray Henry
On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 19:59 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my ball screw has 5 pitch per inch. What are the specifications of that screw and nut? Rayh - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-22 Thread amtb
I bought everything from company that represent company from Taiwan, and it is 20 mm in OD and pitch 5 mm. that screw only as a demo to show how slow it can go. Real machine will have much larger OD of ball screw. aram On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 19:59 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: my ball screw

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-22 Thread Stephen Wille Padnos
Hi Aram I don't think it's the diameter that's important (unless the forces on the screw will be very high). The important specs have to do with screw pitch error, preload on the ballnut, and also the end bearings. A good screw will have maybe 0.001 error over 1 foot, the best I saw with a

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-22 Thread Glenn R. Edwards
: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. I am building CNC tool grinder. The feed for tool grinder should be from 0.00025 to 0.001 of the inch per minute. The servo motor must perform at this feed perfect to make a good grinding job. I will use direct drive and my ball screw has 5 pitch per inch

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-22 Thread amtb
22, 2008 6:59 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Cc: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. I am building CNC tool grinder. The feed for tool grinder should be from 0.00025 to 0.001 of the inch per minute. The servo motor must perform

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-22 Thread amtb
accuracy of machine is important but feed should be low enough to grinding wheel can do the job. grinding of solid carbide is slow process. screw may be 0.005 inaccuracy but feeding need be very slow to do the grinding. aram Hi Aram I don't think it's the diameter that's important (unless the

Re: [Emc-users] Harmonic gear and EMC2. ????

2008-05-22 Thread amtb
i forgot to say that all good grinding machine have linear incoder or scale alog a axis so inaccuracy of ball screw will not effect final out put of servomotor. am i right? Hi Aram I don't think it's the diameter that's important (unless the forces on the screw will be very high). The