Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-24 Thread Peter Blodow
Gentlemen, how come that some messages have appeared twice lately, sent at the same time? For instance, this one: Peter Am 24.01.2022 um 16:44 schrieb Jon Elson: I had a Palmgren rotary table with XY linear slides, similar to the one in recent pictures.  The handles were different, otherwise

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-24 Thread Jon Elson
I had a Palmgren rotary table with XY linear slides, similar to the one in recent pictures.  The handles were different, otherwise I'd say mine was identical.  But, I found the XY slides to be VERY floppy, it made machining very difficult.  It caused terrible chatter and poor finishes.  I was

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-23 Thread Gregg Eshelman via Emc-users
Knight Foundry in Sutter Creek, California still does iron casting. https://knightfoundry.com/ On Sunday, January 23, 2022, 12:27:00 PM MST, Matthew Herd wrote: Depending on size, I’d consider some “durabar” or similar continuously cast iron bar. I made a compound for my atlas lathe

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-23 Thread John Dammeyer
> > From: andy pugh [mailto:bodge...@gmail.com] > > > > But, making patterns and having parts cast is _fun_ :-) > > > > -- > > atp > > Oh and here's the core box. First crack at the core using the instructions from Dave Gingery's building a lathe from scrap series. Very fine sand, 20 Table

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-23 Thread andy pugh
On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 at 23:30, fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users wrote: > It looks like Palmgren had a passel of those. > https://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/2459/16973.pdf Page 14 shows a base design that could be copied. -- atp "A motorcycle is a bicycle with a pandemonium attachment and is designed

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-23 Thread fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users
On Sun, 23 Jan 2022, John Figie wrote: > While looking at your photos I realized that I could have almost the same > rotary table. It was recently given to me. Mine is a craftsman and is > mounted on an x-y cross slide. but some of the castings look the same to me > in the picture. Yours has a

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-23 Thread ken.strauss
I suspect that a mini-mill would have issues with an 8-inch rotary table. -Original Message- From: andy pugh Sent: January 23, 2022 2:39 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 at 18:59, Chris Albertson wrote

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-23 Thread dave engvall
Known good part obscures the problem of shrinkage unless you want them to take your known good and scale it for shrinkage which they will do at $$/hr. ;-) Working from their shrink % will allow you to do the sizing and that make it simple for them. A foundry 100 mi or so from me and out in the

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-23 Thread fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users
On Sun, 23 Jan 2022, andy pugh wrote: > On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 at 18:59, Chris Albertson > wrote: > >> But this is for a "*mini*-mill" you do NOT need cast iron parts. > > He said it was a "small mill". Many would consider a Bridgeport to be > a small mill. I certainly consider my Harrison to be

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-23 Thread John Figie
While looking at your photos I realized that I could have almost the same rotary table. It was recently given to me. Mine is a craftsman and is mounted on an x-y cross slide. but some of the castings look the same to me in the picture. Yours has a larger diameter wheel for rotary motion with 3'

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-23 Thread andy pugh
On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 at 18:59, Chris Albertson wrote: > But this is for a "*mini*-mill" you do NOT need cast iron parts. He said it was a "small mill". Many would consider a Bridgeport to be a small mill. I certainly consider my Harrison to be small, but it weighs nearly a ton. But, making

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-23 Thread Matthew Herd
Depending on size, I’d consider some “durabar” or similar continuously cast iron bar. I made a compound for my atlas lathe and several other items from it. A bit hard on tools but the parts have come out great. I prefer to use a face mill to machine the flat surfaces and then carbide tooling to

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-23 Thread Chris Albertson
What you give a foundry is typically the part you want, a pattern. They can advise on the limits of what they can do. For example there is a minimum and maxim thickness and overall size. They can also tell you how much the iron will shrink so you can adjust the pattern Then for you own good

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-23 Thread andy pugh
On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 at 02:26, fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users wrote: > So from the photos in the ad what would I want to have made? > A big rectangle? Something stylish and in-keeping with the original, I would think. Certainly a block thick enough to keep the lowest point of the main casting clear

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-22 Thread fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users
> Yes, if you are near Windy Hill, then I understand that they do a lot > of one-offs for vehicle restorers etc. > > It's certainly worth considering. OK So from the photos in the ad what would I want to have made? A big rectangle? The only "true" surfaces on the back are the dovetails. I think

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-22 Thread andy pugh
On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 at 18:53, fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users wrote: > Now just to get it shipped to southern US :) > Actually there is a foundry not to far from me, Windy Hill Foundry. Yes, if you are near Windy Hill, then I understand that they do a lot of one-offs for vehicle restorers etc. It's

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-22 Thread fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users
On Sat, 22 Jan 2022, andy pugh wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 at 16:25, fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users > wrote: > >> Making a new dovetailed back plate was what I was leaning towards. >> Any suggestion for material for this? >> A big slab of cast iron would be nice but I imagine but too pricey. > >

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-22 Thread andy pugh
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 at 16:25, fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users wrote: > Making a new dovetailed back plate was what I was leaning towards. > Any suggestion for material for this? > A big slab of cast iron would be nice but I imagine but too pricey. Well, I would 3D print a pattern and have it cast in

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-21 Thread fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022, andy pugh wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 at 15:15, fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users > wrote: > >> I recently acquired a Palmgren 800 rotary table for a faction of this cost. >> I would like to modify it to mount horizontally or vertically on a small >> mill. >> I'm open to

Re: [Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-21 Thread andy pugh
On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 at 15:15, fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users wrote: > I recently acquired a Palmgren 800 rotary table for a faction of this cost. > I would like to modify it to mount horizontally or vertically on a small mill. > I'm open to suggestion before I start hacking. I think that I would

[Emc-users] rotary table re-engineeering

2022-01-21 Thread fxkl47BF--- via Emc-users
https://lostcreekmachine.com/product/lathe-attachment-rotary-indexing-8-model-800-w-vertical-feed-palmgren/ I recently acquired a Palmgren 800 rotary table for a faction of this cost. I would like to modify it to mount horizontally or vertically on a small mill. I'm open to suggestion before I