Re: [-empyre-] Search, privacy, data - the abuse of encapsulation

2012-02-28 Thread Tero Karppi
I think Rob makes a wonderful list of points and I can follow-up only a few here. There is an important notion in points 5 and 6 that we are constantly ideologically, politically and economically exploited by different platforms and web sites and services and while we know it we do nothing

Re: [-empyre-] Search, privacy, data

2012-02-28 Thread Lasse Scherffig
Thanks, Tero, for starting this interesting debate. I just want to jump in on one point Ana Valdés raised: Am 27.02.2012 16:42, schrieb Ana Valdés: The difference is maybe the aim, the goals. The governments collect data about us to control us and our movements, to be able to track us if our

Re: [-empyre-] Search, privacy, data

2012-02-28 Thread Ana Valdés
Thank you Lasse to follow up my thread. I have lived in Sweden for almost my whole adult life and I am very used to the ways market and corporations work. Sweden, a very homogeneus society with a strong middleclass composed of buyers with sure incomes, is often used as test market. Labels as

Re: [-empyre-] Search, privacy, data - the abuse of encapsulation

2012-02-28 Thread Andrew Prior
Nice point Rob. 9.) Infrastructure, complexity and use: The problem with iPhones is that they aren't shitty enough. Again, this is linked to the logic of encapsulation, and the ability to save us time, as per the Western infrastructure of career enforcement and obsession with social attention

Re: [-empyre-] Search, privacy, data - the abuse of encapsulation

2012-02-28 Thread magnus lawrie
Hi Tero and all, Thanks for the recent thought-provoking input. On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 02:43:19PM +, Tero Karppi wrote: I think Rob makes a wonderful list of points and I can follow-up only a few here. There is an important notion in points 5 and 6 that we are constantly

Re: [-empyre-] Research self criticism the abuse of self-encapsulation

2012-02-28 Thread Johannes Birringer
dear all the discussion has moved forward this week, and I'm enjoying the new topics and will just briefly try to backtrack, past unsettling privatizations of platforms, to thank those who responded last week to questions and pursued the discussion on in/compatible research and self-critical