Re: [-empyre-] regarding grief and mourning

2012-10-08 Thread Johannes Birringer
dear all it's not easy to write about grief and mourning, to comment on other's (Monika's) reports of others crying or feeling sadness of happiness. Responses to a funeral can be very complex, and I asked Ana what catharsis she keeps invoking, just think about the commuuity here, the tiny

Re: [-empyre-] regarding grief and mourning

2012-10-08 Thread Ana Valdés
Johannes, as usual, your words trigger thoughts and questions :) we need you to be aware of all tendences to Romanticism here :) But my Romanticism is a German one (I am raised by nuns from Paderborn :), more Sturm und Drang than litchick writing :) More Caspar Friedrich more Caroline von

[-empyre-] week two: Pain, Suffering, and Death in the Virtual

2012-10-08 Thread Charles Baldwin
The second week of October's -empyre- discussion will start tomorrow, continuing with the topic of Pain, Suffering, and Death in the Virtual. The guests will be Yael Gilks aka Fau Ferdinand and Jon Marshall. Their biographical information is below. We expect the discussion will continue around

[-empyre-] week two I

2012-10-08 Thread Jonathan Marshall
Firstly Thanks to Alan and Sandy for inviting me to participate in a great topic – hope I can live up to it. I’m more than overwhelmed by what people have been describing and referring to. It was a privilege to try and read. My writing is not on such a scale, it is about online life as an

Re: [-empyre-] Pain, Suffering, and Death in the Virtual

2012-10-08 Thread Monika Weiss
My thanks to the - e m p y r e moderators for the invitation and to all of you who responded to my initial meditations/manifestos with very important remarks and questions. It's been a pleasure. I will continue on the receiving and reacting end now Looking forward to the next chapter!

[-empyre-] II

2012-10-08 Thread Jonathan Marshall
II I began living online with a thesis in mind, sometime in 1994. I had read much of what was then available as analysis. This is ‘ancient history’ and the amount of writing was small enough. But what was then available, struck me as fundamentally misguided. Firstly people tended to write

Re: [-empyre-] II

2012-10-08 Thread Ana Valdés
Jon, I did my share of writing at that time and my first book about the subject, Internet and Women, was published 1995. To write the book I travelled to Palo Alto and me Howard Rheingold, Brenda Laurel, Sandy Stone, Anne Balsamo (who was a guest at -empyre not so long time ago), Marcus Novak. The

Re: [-empyre-] II

2012-10-08 Thread Jonathan Marshall
Hi Ana Jon, I did my share of writing at that time and my first book about the subject, Internet and Women, was published 1995. To write the book I travelled to Palo Alto and me Howard Rheingold, Brenda Laurel, Sandy Stone, Anne Balsamo (who was a guest at -empyre not so long time ago), Marcus

[-empyre-] III arrival

2012-10-08 Thread Jonathan Marshall
III However, despite these theoretical enthusiasms and preparations, when I arrived online there was, in contrast, only the surprise that people brought with them that which made them people offline. And that included, culture, bodies, place, pain and affect amongst other things. Online life

Re: [-empyre-] III arrival

2012-10-08 Thread Ana Valdés
Interesting, for me the virtual was not the lists, in despite I come early to Netbehaviour, -empyre, Nettime, Rhizome and many others. For me virtuality come with the online games, the RPG. I played Ultima Online and met doctors playing healers and soldiers playing warriors and women playing men

Re: [-empyre-] III arrival

2012-10-08 Thread Ana Valdés
I felt the virtual in the games was a continuation of the body, as my body limits dissapeared. I was stronger taller more fit I was a god/goddess, I could climb mountains swim in the oceans fly on the sky marry someone of my own gender :) or not marry at all, be a munk or a shaman or a priest or a

Re: [-empyre-] II

2012-10-08 Thread Diane Gromala
Jon and Ana, history relish Thanks so much for reminding everyone of how different the rhetoric was back in the day, esp. re: notions of the virtual. It's an important historical reference, especially because so much of what was written before the year 2000 seems to have been forgotten, as others

Re: [-empyre-] regarding grief and mourning

2012-10-08 Thread Alan Sondheim
On Mon, 8 Oct 2012, Johannes Birringer wrote: Ana's references (and the discussion between Alan and Sandy) seem to be to the Real (and yet I sense so much slippage to the virtual in Alan's and Sandy's discussion, surely intended, and if we follow through the idea of the virtualization (opera,

Re: [-empyre-] II (

2012-10-08 Thread Alan Sondheim
Hi Jon again, I think some of these concerns were addressed by you in III, in which case possibly ignore the below. For me, re the discussion, the virtual and the real are inconceivably entangled; on one side, subject/abjection and on the other /virtual elementary particles/particle

Re: [-empyre-] II

2012-10-08 Thread Jonathan Marshall
Diane writes In any case, when one of my former colleagues at UW's HITLab discovered that VR was as effective as opioids for people who suffered 3rd degree burns, I was compelled to return. (Videogames don't come close.) this is extraordinary. What kind of VR was it? and did it work for other