Hi all !
I am bit drown in english so excuse me if I don't take part more often.
Phi Shu, about your fore last paragraph (before the note)
you write 'I was asked to remove it for the final version'.
It is incredible !!! How did they justify their request ?
About the struggle to keep on doing
On Sunday, 20 January 2013 at 1:32 AM, Simon Biggs wrote:
Nice we are in agreement, but ...
... I wonder. For art to be recognised as art (which might not be the same
thing as it being art) it does have to satisfy certain objective criteria
(art world opinion). The argument that art is
Please don't apologise for that. Was a needed interruption. Perhaps simple
answer is that for me research needs to be evidenced based and contestable. Art
by itself - the art thing - might do this but doesn't have or need to. What is
the evidence based, contestable claim made by Monet? Joyce?
January 2013 06:18
To: soft_skinned_space
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Practice in Research odd methods, rude mechanics
dear all
the small post I sent a few days ago was meant to interrupt the conversation,
and I am sorry for that.
The messages that appeared before here were quite illuminating
dear All,
I have only now began to read through some of the posts on this highly
contested/defended today subject (art and research, art as research) and this
quote came across as something I wanted to write towards and perhaps oppose
it a little:
art is non instrumental because it does not
I'll second what mez has to say here; it's always a situation of bricolage
for people I know outside institutions; it's even difficult to get to
conferences, to get published with academic presses, etc. Universities and
art schools still provide communality after graduation for creative
workers,
On Saturday, 19 January 2013 at 2:00 AM, Talan Memmott wrote:
Yes, I would agree that this is where the shift takes place. But with the
students it operates in two different directions -- one, where the project
is 'informed' by research, in which case an artist statement may be required
On Saturday, 19 January 2013 at 1:49 AM, Simon Biggs wrote:
I agree with everything Adrian says except the statement that in an academic
context all research is instrumentalised. It is true that there is more and
more pressure for this to be the case but there remain numerous threads of
On Saturday, 19 January 2013 at 2:08 AM, Simon Biggs wrote:
... and to respond to my own email (probably bad etiquette) one can observe
the obverse to be the case - just as plenty of research is not necessarily
instrumental so too is much art instrumental, whether responding to a
dear all
the small post I sent a few days ago was meant to interrupt the conversation,
and I am sorry for that.
The messages that appeared before here were quite illuminating, in many
respects, and also deeply, very deeply saddening, when
I felt I read about the experiences described, artists
hi all
On Friday, 18 January 2013 at 4:53 PM, Johannes Birringer wrote:
And would Kathryn Bigelow need to defend Zero Dark Thirty? how would you (or
Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D, for that matter)? or defend Stifters Dinge? or
Lexia to Perplexia (Digital Rhetoric and Poetics: Signifying
In Talan's comments about project based teaching, for example, I would
imagine the role of the project is not just to be creative, or make art, or
a project, but for the project to embody and explore key problems. I'd also
think that how these are explored or realised in the project probably
I agree with everything Adrian says except the statement that in an academic
context all research is instrumentalised. It is true that there is more and
more pressure for this to be the case but there remain numerous threads of
non-instrumental research, whether in theoretical physics,
..+ those who persist in operating outside these boundaries (in art or
academia) are having a tougher time existing in such marginalised
(sometimes engineered, sometimes otherwise) spaces.
Chunks,
mez
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:10 AM, Talan Memmott
t.memm...@underacademy.orgwrote:
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On 18
dear all
enjoyable posts, merci beaucoup !
I liked reading Anne-Sarah and Cecile, and then wondered about the theme of
this month;
then again, Anne-Sarah wrote some very intriguing comments on what she calls
'being and not being' (an academic, an artist?) - echoing the comments in the
first
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