Dear list members,
this has been an intense month of discussion on the list. The broad
subject of Process as Paradigm and the processual nature of contemporary
art and culture has revealed numerous interesting and controverse views
that you were so generously sharing with us. I was
Dear list members, dear participants in the Process as Paradigm discussion,
Thank you Warren for the interesting recap and wrap of the discussion.
In fact it took Susanne and me quite some time to decide between Process is
Paradigm and Process as Paradigm as exhibition title. We have chosen the
Hi All,
I've been following the discussion this month and was thinking that I
didn't need to post since process has been discussed in so many ways:
process as art;
process as performance;
process as serious shit;
process as image;
process as practice;
process as politics;
process as organism;
as paradigm: Time/Tools/Agency (Antoine Schmitt)
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Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 10:06:53 +0200
From: Antoine Schmitt a...@gratin.org
To: soft_skinned_space empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process
I really like this idea, Antoine: Like Philip Galanter said somewhere
some time, 'In medieval times painting was about God. With the
Enlightenment painting was about man. In Modern times painting was
about paint. And now in Postmodern times painting is about painting.'
I don't know where we stand
Hi Antoine,
I agree with you that processual art and even self-referantial processual
art can deal as much with serious shit than any other type of artwork.
Aymeric's expression serious shit is referring to an earlier mail from
Lucas Evers:if art can reach beyond the processes it is reflecting
Le 25 mai 10 à 06:38, christopher sullivan a écrit :
a computer IS a tool
Of course a computer is a tool, like anything else that an artists
uses to create the artwork, like paint or programs.
The fact is that it is a very special tool because it executes
programs that implement processes.
Hi,
more opinions :
- processual art vs. dealing with serious shit : there is no intrisic
reason why processual art (or any technologically-based art or media
art) should be more adequate to deal with serious shit than any other
artform. Serious shit is the subject. The means, tools,
Antoine Schmitt a écrit :
Le 25 mai 10 à 06:38, christopher sullivan a écrit :
a computer IS a tool
Of course a computer is a tool, like anything else that an artists uses
to create the artwork, like paint or programs.
The fact is that it is a very special tool because it executes programs
I have been far too busy to really get into the discussion that's
taking place, but I like it. I used to, on the one hand, seeing a
computer as a tool. I also like seeing the activity of processing as
something with value as content. I also like the idea of the computer
as an environment.
: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm
To: soft_skinned_space empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
Received: Friday, May 21, 2010, 11:18 PM
Hi Erika,
The image as output seems to me the most active agent
because it is out in the world
communicating. However, if one is more
interested
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm: Time/Tools/Agency
To: soft_skinned_space empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au, Maria Verstappen
not...@xs4all.nl
Cc: soft_skinned_space emp...@gamera.cofa.unsw.edu.au
Received: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 2:35 PM
very well put Maria, and inclusive
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From: Eileen Reynolds eyelen...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm: Time/Tools/Agency
To: empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
Received: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 1:12 AM
Hello,
In regards to Nicholas Roberts nice ideas of:...for instance, was thinking
about public
-children-are-
being-poisoned-by.html
Just wish I was smart enough to create a biodegradable computer or
cell phone. Anyone?
-Eileen
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:36:10 -0700
From: nicho...@themediasociety.org
To: empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm: Time
...@themediasociety.org
To: empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm: Time/Tools/Agency
plenty of opportunities for process as paradigm with purpose
I am going to chime-in and bang a few pieces together too
I read an earlier version of this thread just after attending
...@ntu.edu.sg
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm
To: soft_skinned_space empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
Received: Friday, May 21, 2010, 11:18 PM
Hi Erika,
The image as output seems to me the most active agent
because it is out in the world
communicating. However
hello,
i am following the discussion which has taken so many directions now
that it is becoming increasingly difficult to choose which thread to
response to. but in a way this nonlinearity and branching-out goes very
well with the idea of process as paradigm :-)
i regularly look at warren
/Manitoba/Canada
http://www.lincolnlab.net
--- On Fri, 5/21/10, Eileen Reynolds (Asst Prof) ereyno...@ntu.edu.sg
wrote:
From: Eileen Reynolds (Asst Prof) ereyno...@ntu.edu.sg
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm
To: soft_skinned_space empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
Received: Friday
Media Artist
Winnipeg/Manitoba/Canada
http://www.lincolnlab.net
--- On Fri, 5/21/10, Eileen Reynolds (Asst Prof) ereyno...@ntu.edu.sg
wrote:
From: Eileen Reynolds (Asst Prof) ereyno...@ntu.edu.sg
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm
To: soft_skinned_space empyre
Hi all,
This might be a good moment to share some thoughts I took with me after
installing my work in Spain. It's not very often that I really enjoy an
exhibition, but many of the works in Process as paradigm spoke to me
and I felt I had a lot in common with the artists that I came to know
--- On Fri, 5/21/10, Eileen Reynolds (Asst Prof)
ereyno...@ntu.edu.sg wrote:
From: Eileen Reynolds (Asst Prof) ereyno...@ntu.edu.sg
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm To:
soft_skinned_space empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au Received:
Friday, May 21, 2010, 11:18 PM Hi Erika,
The image as output
Hi,
on the issue of 'material', I want to argue that indeed a process can
be seen as an artistic material. I mean material not in the sense of
hardware, but in the sense of what is manipulated by the artist while
creating the artwork. I mean that I meant material in the english
sense,
Hi,
I thought that Susanne had made the point in her first post that
process art (that deals with the creation process of the artists)
should not be confused with processual art, where the artistic
material is a process, i.e. a system in action. And that the
exhibition, as well as this
Of Erika Jean Lincoln [fur_princ...@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:38 PM
To: soft_skinned_space
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm
Hi Maria, Yann,
Isn't it more precise to say that the data set of the
digital image is algorithmicly processed through an
computer which leads
/Manitoba/Canada
http://www.lincolnlab.net
--- On Sat, 5/22/10, Maria Verstappen not...@xs4all.nl wrote:
From: Maria Verstappen not...@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm - the generative image
To: soft_skinned_space emp...@gamera.cofa.unsw.edu.au
Received: Saturday, May 22
...@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au [empyre-
boun...@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au] On Behalf Of Erika Jean Lincoln
[fur_princ...@yahoo.ca]
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:38 PM
To: soft_skinned_space
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm
Hi Maria, Yann,
Isn't it more precise to say that the data set
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm
To: soft_skinned_space emp...@gamera.cofa.unsw.edu.au, Yann Le Guennec
y...@x-arn.org
Received: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 11:37 AM
Dear Yann,
In the context of this exhibition the notion of generative
image can be taken quite literal as a still image
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Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 11:18:04 +0800
To: soft_skinned_space empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm
Hi Erika,
The image as output seems to me the most active agent because it is out in
the world communicating. However, if one is more interested
Electronic Media Artist
Winnipeg/Manitoba/Canada
http://www.lincolnlab.net
--- On Thu, 5/20/10, Maria Verstappen not...@xs4all.nl wrote:
From: Maria Verstappen not...@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm
To: soft_skinned_space emp...@gamera.cofa.unsw.edu.au, Yann Le
Guennec
-boun...@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
[empyre-boun...@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au] On Behalf Of Erika Jean
Lincoln [fur_princ...@yahoo.ca] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:38 PM
To: soft_skinned_space Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm
Hi Maria, Yann, Isn't it more precise to say that the data set
Driessens Verstappen have been examples in my lectures on AI art (for
our intro to computing in the arts course) for many years. The screen
saver version will not replace Tickle Salon, but it is a great way to
show your work in execution instead of video documentation.,
Thanks!
Brett
Maria
Winnipeg/Manitoba/Canada
http://www.lincolnlab.net
--- On Thu, 5/20/10, Maria Verstappen not...@xs4all.nl wrote:
From: Maria Verstappen not...@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm
To: soft_skinned_space emp...@gamera.cofa.unsw.edu.au, Yann Le Guennec
y...@x-arn.org
Electronic Media Artist
Winnipeg/Manitoba/Canada
http://www.lincolnlab.net
--- On Thu, 5/20/10, Maria Verstappen not...@xs4all.nl wrote:
From: Maria Verstappen not...@xs4all.nl
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm
To: soft_skinned_space emp...@gamera.cofa.unsw.edu.au, Yann Le Guennec
y
Dear All,
Referring to Johannes' reflections on Raquel's question, I interpreted the
word 'piece' to be a manifestation of the process, i.e. something (an
output) extracted or abstratcted from the process or an analogue , or a
precipitate of the process, which makes manifest the fact that the
Dear All,
I have been enjoying the beginnings of a theoretical discussion here, while
moving eastward from Berlin to Seoul. Finally on the plane I had a few
moments to consider all your considerations.
I would like to start from the most recent, Raquel's questions::
There are many groups
Dear Yann,
In the context of this exhibition the notion of generative image can be taken
quite literal as a still image that generates the next image in real time.
Subsequently this new image forms the basis for the next image, etcetera. In
case of a screen based work, the viewer experiences
Dear Empyre,
Thanks to Susanne and Lucas for the invitation to both the exhibition
and now this discussion.
Antoine Schmitt said :
I think that programming is a radically new artistic material in art
history, because it allows the artist and the spectators to focus on
_action_ as such. This
Dear Aymeric,
On May 19, 2010, at 2:18 PM, Aymeric Mansoux wrote:
The problem is that usually what is emerging is too often perceived as a
by-product of the process, which only gives to the audience only two opposite
positions in between which they can navigate: On the one hand a passive
Hello dear Empyreans,
systems are open;
entropy is a mistake;
boundaries are in the mind (of the 'modelizer'= someone making a model);
every process is part of n systems;
quantum physics is a biface (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biface);
we build tools we need, to prove what we think;
we use
Hi all,
Sorry for the delay in joining the discussion, I had some health issues and
was not able to follow the discussion until now.
For me it´s interesting how the topic Process as Paradigm open to different
level of discussions, from generative art to art and nature. That´s why I
feel that it
hallo all:
just wanted to thank Yuanyuan for the considered reply,
and the commentary on growth pattern (see at bottom)
To what extent might one participate in your organism system as a performer?
E.g, we are looking for a particular kind of autumn leaves for an envionmental
dance work
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*Subject: *Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm
I completely agree. In a systemic approach (or Systems thinking),
processes are part of the dynamic view on the system, when elements and
components involved in processes are part of the structural view
Oops, sorry mistake in the url, here is the good one : Transitoire
Observable
Cheers
Le 17 mai 10 à 16:37, Antoine Schmitt a écrit :
Transitoire Observable
++ as
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I completely agree. In a systemic approach (or Systems thinking),
processes are part of the dynamic view on the system, when elements and
components involved in processes are part
Hello,
My first post too, on this list. And thanks Lucas and Suzanne for inviting me
here.
Let me start by responding to some previous posts about the Conditional Design
manifesto ( http://www.conditionaldesign.org/manifesto/ ) that Luna Maurer,
Roel Wouters and Jonathan Puckey and I wrote
of Nature.
Cheers
Yuanyuan
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 20:14:31 +0100
From: johannes.birrin...@brunel.ac.uk
To: empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
Subject: RE: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm / systems theory
dear all
after Simon's first post, the discussion already shifted a bit (quickly
Hello,
Johannes Birringer asked:
may i ask whether this month's discussion was meant to be in response to
(inspired by) an exhibition curated by Suzanne and Lucas ?
..el proceso como paradigma ? Laboral Centro de Arte y Creacion Industrial
/ Gijon, Spain ?
Indeed this is so, and we, the
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To: soft_skinned_space empyre@lists.cofa.unsw.edu.au
Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm
I completely agree. In a systemic approach (or Systems thinking),
processes are part of the dynamic view on the system, when elements and
components involved in processes are part of the structural
Hello,
This is my first post on the list. I want to first thank Susanne for
the introduction and invitation to discuss the topic.
I wasn't aware of Luna and Edo's work and their Conditional Design
Manifesto until today. Now, I'm an enthusiastic fan after following
the link from their
Thank you for your thoughtful response, Susanne,
Though I would like to see it another way, and please, convince me, I take
the position that all digital art is political
http://gratfortech.blogspot.com/2010/04/all-new-media-is-political.html
actually, I am not quite fully ready to argue
Dear empyre list,
having been held back by institutional duties I'm coming up a bit
late with my comment to susanne jaschkos invitation. My text is
pointing in another direction than baruch gottliebs statement, but
perhaps an continuation to the last paragraph of his email.
Having worked
dear all:
may i ask whether this month's discussion was meant to be in response to
(inspired by) an exhibition curated by Suzanne and Lucas ?
..el proceso como paradigma ? Laboral Centro de Arte y Creacion Industrial
/ Gijon, Spain ?
thanks much for giving us the reference to the
I would like to respond to Baruch's post in which he tries to shake
things a bit up - an attempt that I appreciate a lot. Baruch poses a
number of questions that the art world struggles with these days. The
main questions are, if I understand him right: Can art do other than
aestheticise the
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Subject: Re: [-empyre-] Process as paradigm
Hello,
I'm very interested in your definition of 'generative image'.
http://www.laboralcentrodearte.org/en/714-catalogue (p55)
The text describes well what i call 'variable pictures' (eg, a networked
still picture, always changing, and removing its
hello all.
i enjoyed reading Susanne Jaschko's comments on processual art , and the way
she ended her comments:
life/emergence can be found in various artistic practice, can unite those and
which potential this type of art has to not only convince on an aesthetic
level, but also can have a
Hello,
I'm very interested in your definition of 'generative image'.
http://www.laboralcentrodearte.org/en/714-catalogue (p55)
The text describes well what i call 'variable pictures' (eg, a networked
still picture, always changing, and removing its precedent state,
according to some online
Thank you Renate and Tim,
For inviting us to moderate this months discussion on the theme of Process as
Paradigm - art in development, flux and change
Please find some words about the context below as well as our distinct
statements for discussion.
We also want to thank our invited
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