Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-14 Thread Johannes Birringer
of power has not changed. We shall have to see what will have changed in Egypt and Libya. respectfully Johannes Birringer Eduardo Navas schreibt Subject: Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices If you click on the link I

Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-14 Thread Irina Contreras
, March 8, 2012 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices First I want to thank Ana for inviting me to participate in this month’s discussion. I have been part of this list

Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-09 Thread Ana Valdés
Thank you David for sharing some interesting thoughts. I think networking in itself is a value, a virtue, similar to fortitude, justice, prudence and temperance, the traditional Christian values. When Jose Bové started his fight against MacDonalds and other fastfood chains he was using his

Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-09 Thread Kristine Stiles
Thank you Aristide. You are right that the violent changes to Athens, which have altered it from a European city to a war field... indicative of the future, is absolutely emblematic of the future and the ownership of states by the banks. This article from February 12th, signed by Alain Badiou,

Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-09 Thread davin heckman
Ana, I think you are right, insofar as it is a web of intersubjective relations, a network does imply some pretty hearty obligations and rights. On the other hand, network can also imply a relationship among objects or objectives, as a command and control tool, more or less. I think sometimes,

Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-09 Thread Johannes Birringer
dear Ana, i can empathize with you enjoying the arrival of Benjamin's Passagenwerk, hmm, but i hope you share his saddened sense of irony (we always have nostalgia of what is left behind) it's of course best not to indulge in sentimental nostalgia, wouldn't you agree, especially in this

Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-09 Thread Ana Valdés
Dear Johannes, I was struck the same way as you after the description of Athens as a trruly European city. I have been in almost the whole European continent and never found two cities similar to each other, not either the Scandinavian capitals, in the perifery of Europe, almost like the Romans

Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-09 Thread Johannes Birringer
Eduardo Navas schreibt: One thing that struck me, though, as I read the posts is that perhaps we should consider how the meaning of the terms in discussion may be different in our times from others. Some posts have recalled the movement of 68 and its relation to the occupy movement. Other

Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-09 Thread Eduardo Navas
Hi Johannes, If you click on the link I provided you will quickly understand my position which I already alluded to in my brief post. To this effect, Ana actually responded to I wrote and I don't think additional commentary on my part can be useful at this stage of the discussion. I will

Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-09 Thread Antonas Office
Dear Ana, I do not find Johannes reaction insulting nor patronizing. I only think it is wrong strategically to underestimate a change. I propose a reading of an urban field; I think that there is a significant transformation recorded in the city of Athens and that we have to study it not as an

Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-08 Thread Kamen Nedev
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Johannes Birringer johannes.birrin...@brunel.ac.uk wrote: kamen argues: This notion - of retreat, of losing the centre - is something I'm researching right now in terms of art practice could you elaborate on that, and your proposition that citizens produce

Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-08 Thread Johannes Birringer
dear all Kamen's response – regarding the spirit of recession - is so evocative and striking that I want to just let it stay here, and take more time reflect further, on what you yourself wonder The question is how to continue being a moving target, shifting gears, adopting new

Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-08 Thread Ana Valdés
Dear all, I am very happy about the broad range of our discussion! Next week we are going to have two writers and I am delighted to see some of them (Leandro, Alicia) already participating... The examples raised by Alicia, the publisher house Eloisa Cartonera and their Uruguayan syster, La propia

Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-08 Thread Eduardo Navas
First I want to thank Ana for inviting me to participate in this month¹s discussion. I have been part of this list for many years, but I don¹t write every month. I do read most material that comes to my box, as I¹m always interested in the discussions. So it is good to have a commitment to write

Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-08 Thread Ana Valdés
Thanks Eduardo for joining the discussion. Under your week we are going to be more familiar with your research and thoughts but it's nice to have you here in the discussion, as Alicia and Leandro. I love impacient and enthusiastic guests! :) Regarding the importance of the new technologies

Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-08 Thread Antonas Office
Thank you Johannes Birringer for your observations. I would like to comment the Zizek's reference to Athens and Sparta. I was not there and I cannot see from your reference which was his point. I made my reference to Athens because I consider it the contemporary city that comes first in a

Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-07 Thread Johannes Birringer
dear all thanks for all the postings herel I was intrigued to read the conceptual (theoretical) notions offered, perhaps as a form of political thought or analysis, alongside the reports from the activist fronts and resiliences, and here i especially found it helpful to hear of movements

Re: [-empyre-] re/claiming and unsettling / continuing artistic practices

2012-03-07 Thread @pablodesoto
El 07/03/12 15:34, Johannes Birringer escribió: dear all thanks for all the postings herel I was intrigued to read the conceptual (theoretical) notions offered, perhaps as a form of political thought or analysis, alongside the reports from the activist fronts and resiliences, and here i