[EUG-LUG:3047] Re: Who else saw the blind guy driving using alaptop running X

2002-06-21 Thread Larry Price
On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Dennis Eberl wrote: The Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), which I have been reading and which I believe came out of W3C, strikes me as naive and ineffective. The real hope, as I see it, is XML/XSL. By separating content from formate in a rigorous way, one can for a

[EUG-LUG:3039] Re: Eug-Lug Meetings

2002-06-20 Thread Larry Price
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Knight, Thomas wrote: What time does it start? In late afternoon random people begin drifting in to 43 W. broadway the Euglug meeting is the corner where people are talking about linux http://www.efn.org/~laprice( Community, Cooperation, Consensus

[EUG-LUG:3040] Re: Eug-Lug Meetings

2002-06-20 Thread Larry Price
On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Tim Howe wrote: Is anything going on Friday? I'll be in town for a couple days. TimH I think we could arrange a gathering ;-) High St. Brewery, ?? as that would accomodate both drinkers and nondrinkers ?? On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:47:55 -0700 (PDT) Mike O [EMAIL

[EUG-LUG:3005] Re: l0k4l h4q3rz ?!?!?!

2002-06-18 Thread Larry Price
On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Jacob Meuser wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 09:54:13PM -0700, Larry Price wrote: On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Jack Morgan wrote: On Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 09:19:35PM -0700, Jacob Meuser wrote: try http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~tgermer/el8.2.txt Amusing, eh? yes

[EUG-LUG:2942] Re: network Mac X and Linux

2002-06-15 Thread Larry Price
On Sat, 15 Jun 2002, Dennis Eberl wrote: On Saturday, June 15, 2002, at 10:42 AM, Larry Price wrote: I've been using the office imac running OS X, but mostly just as a windowing terminal (though itunes rocks). There is a Carbonized Emacs available It's telling that I think one

[EUG-LUG:2871] Re: Mixing Debian testing and unstable

2002-06-08 Thread Larry Price
On Sat, 8 Jun 2002, Bob Miller wrote: I have a Debian box. It's running testing. There are two packages (hddtemp and privoxy) that I'd like to add to it, but those packages are only available in unstable. How do you pull certain packages from unstable while keeping the rest of the

[EUG-LUG:2847] Re: fg and bg and jobs

2002-06-05 Thread Larry Price
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Ralph Zeller wrote: There is a section in the man-page about remapping keys in your .screenrc file for emacs users. There is also a good summary statement about screen near the end of the man-page: A wierd imagination is most useful to gain full advantage of all the

[EUG-LUG:2848] best solution for data analysis = .pdf

2002-06-05 Thread Larry Price
I'm looking for a good toolkit to do data analysis and present the results as .pdf I'm looking for a toolset that will allow me to join diverse data sets in different formats (everything from .xls to netCDF aceDB and .dwx formats) So any suggestions you have are welcome, this is for a long

[EUG-LUG:2851] Re: best solution for data analysis = .pdf

2002-06-05 Thread Larry Price
, fortune, change the worldview On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 09:12, Larry Price wrote: I'm looking for a good toolkit to do data analysis and present the results as .pdf I'm looking for a toolset that will allow me to join diverse data sets in different formats (everything from .xls

[EUG-LUG:2852] Re: best solution for data analysis = .pdf

2002-06-05 Thread Larry Price
are kind of out of my reach... and affording a license for a *nix or even OS X version of SAS or ARC/View-spss is way out of my reach at this stage of the life cycle. On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Bob Miller wrote: Larry Price wrote: I'm looking for a good toolkit to do data analysis and present

[EUG-LUG:2854] Re: best solution for data analysis = .pdf

2002-06-05 Thread Larry Price
On Wed, 5 Jun 2002, Bob Miller wrote: What is the application domain? What kinds of analysis do you want to do? If we knew that we might make better suggestions. Long term, data-analysis, in the sense of extracting meaningful information from piles of data and presenting it in a useful

[EUG-LUG:2842] Re: fg and bg and jobs

2002-06-04 Thread Larry Price
It's not quite what you're looking for but the screen command might do the trick, it's a gnu program so available for the OS of your choice. It allows you to run several processes attached to a terminal session, and to remotely detach them from another terminal session and attach them to your

[EUG-LUG:2843] Re: Getting more life from your old hardware

2002-06-04 Thread Larry Price
On Tue, 4 Jun 2002, Ronald LeVine wrote: Does anyone actually use linux instead of just doing installs We seem to talk a lot about how this thingy is cool and that distro has a lot of cool features. but, how many of us are actually using linux on a daily basis without constantly

[EUG-LUG:2762] reading with full headers on; The travails of L.A.Priceemail detectivein the case of the uninstallation (Windows)

2002-05-30 Thread Larry Price
So Ron, when did you start working for Symantec? Quote of relevant headers: Received: from uscu-smtpob01-1.symantec.com (uscu-smtpob01-1.symantec.com [155.64.74.130]) by mailer.symantec.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04624 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 29 May 2002

[EUG-LUG:2764] Re: Dorio and Midnight Commander

2002-05-30 Thread Larry Price
On Fri, 17 May 2002, Linux Rocks ! wrote: anybody remeber doing this: get -$ sttr Jamie Not I , though i do remember PRINT (2*PI)*R^2 which got me started on the road to drawing a perfect circle on a TRS80 : Timothy Bolz wrote: : Are there any useful programs for a dumb terminal? :

[EUG-LUG:2765] Re: open office without java

2002-05-30 Thread Larry Price
On Thu, 30 May 2002, Neil Parker wrote: On Wed, 29 May 2002, Larry Price wrote: On Wed, 29 May 2002, Ben Huot wrote: What are the linitations of installing Open Office without JAVA. They are really vague at openoffice.org. given that Openoffice and StarOffice are both written in Java

[EUG-LUG:2773] Re: reading with full headers on; The travailsof L.A.Priceemail detective in the case of the uninstallation (Windows)

2002-05-30 Thread Larry Price
On Thu, 30 May 2002, Ronald LeVine wrote: About 3 months ago. Congratulations. With regards, Ron LeVine http://www.efn.org/~laprice( Community, Cooperation, Consensus http://www.opn.org ( Openness to serendipity, make mistakes http://www.efn.org/~laprice/poems

[EUG-LUG:2774] Re: EUGLUG Wiki Use Policy

2002-05-30 Thread Larry Price
On Thu, 30 May 2002, Beaker wrote: What is the EUG-LUG Wiki Use policy? I'm in a local canoeing club that might be interested in using Wiki as a substitute for the traditional electronic bulletin board. The club (see Cascade Canoe Club www.efn.org/~canoe/ ) is non-profit and currently

[EUG-LUG:2755] Re: open office without java

2002-05-29 Thread Larry Price
On Wed, 29 May 2002, Ben Huot wrote: What are the linitations of installing Open Office without JAVA. They are really vague at openoffice.org. given that Openoffice and StarOffice are both written in Java, it would be rather difficult to install either without Java, unless you are willing to

[EUG-LUG:2742] Re: Klez

2002-05-28 Thread Larry Price
On Tue, 28 May 2002, Edward Craig wrote: At about 2 AM somebody posted a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] which carried a Klez-worm attachment. Fortunately the software which replied to me deleted the message, so I can't denounce the guilty party properly. I'd probably be irate were

[EUG-LUG:2743] Re: Mandrake 8.2 Xwindows frustration

2002-05-28 Thread Larry Price
On Tue, 28 May 2002, Bob Miller wrote: The actual name is /var/log/XFree86.0.log . With a capital XF. If it's not in /var/log, use locate to find it. locate -i XFree86.0.log If you don't leave your machine up all night, you don't have a locate.db, and locate won't work. You

[EUG-LUG:2715] Re: XML with XSLT

2002-05-25 Thread Larry Price
On Sat, 25 May 2002, Ben Huot wrote: I made my first two xml documents with xslt stylesheets and I think I understand all the components that I used, but the links extend farther down the page then they should. I am not going to invest more time in this if it is going to be as picky as Java

[EUG-LUG:2711] I have a sun video card, just for you

2002-05-24 Thread Larry Price
Seth just dropped it on my desk, said it was for you. I'll be in for a while tomorrow if you want to [ick it up then. http://www.efn.org/~laprice( Community, Cooperation, Consensus http://www.opn.org ( Openness to serendipity, make mistakes

[EUG-LUG:2712] Re: I have a sun video card, just for you

2002-05-24 Thread Larry Price
Ah Ooops, that was meant for jeff only , just call me butterfingers. On Fri, 24 May 2002, Larry Price wrote: Seth just dropped it on my desk, said it was for you. I'll be in for a while tomorrow if you want to [ick it up then. http://www.efn.org/~laprice( Community, Cooperation

[EUG-LUG:2679] AMPACHE presentation 3PM today (in case you forgot)

2002-05-18 Thread Larry Price
Scot Kveton will be at the efn offices to give a presentation about using apache as a base for streaming music files. It's happening at the EFN.ORG office at 43 W. Broadway http://www.efn.org/~laprice( Community, Cooperation, Consensus http://www.opn.org ( Openness to

[EUG-LUG:2641] Re: Why I run Linux

2002-05-15 Thread Larry Price
On Wed, 15 May 2002, Ronald LeVine wrote: I was not suggesting that completely erradicating malcode was possible but we can sure slow it way down. The fact is that Sys-admins are generally not living up to their responsibility on this. The time has come to do so. The web has had serious

[EUG-LUG:2643] Re: Why I run Linux

2002-05-15 Thread Larry Price
On Wed, 15 May 2002, Jacob Meuser wrote: There's procmail for windows? At the user level, this will only save you from getting windows viruses in your mailbox. I doubt your *nix mailer is going to be affected by a windows virus. And if you do access your mail with a vulnerable client,

[EUG-LUG:2634] Re: NetBSD on Sony Clie

2002-05-14 Thread Larry Price
On Tue, 14 May 2002, Ben Huot wrote: Does NetBSD run on a Sony Clie? Does anyone know at least what processor it has? I thought it was an ARM 266mhz or something like it, should take riscos , and there is a debian port to the ARM Use the google in you and look it up. btw (Advanced Risc

[EUG-LUG:2603] Secret Hardware Cabal meeting tonight

2002-05-11 Thread Larry Price
Topics: tcp/ip over usb PC104 form factor, power, vibration and heat constraints short range fibre / plastic fiber mesh routing protocols peer-to-peer resource discovery Resources needed to participate: Brain, writing implement, paper Purpose:

[EUG-LUG:2571] Re: Peru bill

2002-05-07 Thread Larry Price
On Mon, 6 May 2002, Jacob Meuser wrote: On Mon, May 06, 2002 at 05:16:55PM -0700, Tim Howe wrote: Have you guys read the letter at www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25157.html Thanks for the link. I hadn't seen that. Even if it wasn't from a Peruvian Congressman (the person obviously has

[EUG-LUG:2548] Re: Linux micro-distributions

2002-05-04 Thread Larry Price
On Sat, 4 May 2002, Jacob Meuser wrote: snippage topic=small memory footprint OS IMHO, unless you really, really want to waste a lot of time, don't even try. And if you do decide you have a bunch of free time and it might be fun, I would suggest trying to find and old (with a 2.2.x kernel)

[EUG-LUG:2513] Re: LTSP meeting EUGLUG meeting

2002-05-02 Thread Larry Price
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Kent Loobey wrote: Come by EFN on friday, it's art walk, so you can stand around, talk about computers, look at art, and act sophisticated so you can attract the women who come by to look at the art. Does this *really* work? Dependent on certain key factors, the

[EUG-LUG:2523] Re: Fold

2002-05-02 Thread Larry Price
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Linux Rocks ! wrote: Gee... maybe Ill go too... maybe larry can teach poetry to mike, bob and I :) Jamie, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

[EUG-LUG:2501] Re: LTSP meeting EUGLUG meeting

2002-05-01 Thread Larry Price
On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Neil Parker wrote: Umm...isn't this the same time and place as this week's EUGLUG meeting? (Granted, this is a project that many EUGLUG members will probably be interested in, but trying to hold two separate meetings at the same time in that office could get a bit

[EUG-LUG:2510] Re: LTSP meeting EUGLUG meeting

2002-05-01 Thread Larry Price
On Wed, 1 May 2002, Mike O wrote: It's all Seth's fault. Is a Sethfault anything like a segfault? Not really though a SethFault can put your data at risk, it's good practice to take backups and also validate them, just in case your Seth faults again during the restore phase. Just curious.

[EUG-LUG:2368] Re: Microsoft trial...

2002-04-23 Thread Larry Price
On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, Linux Rocks ! wrote: So... I heard a little about the microsoft trial... bill gates testified yesterday I guess... but I dont have the details... anyone know the scoop? I saw a headline that said Bill Gates thinks Microsoft should not be Broken Up. which about covers

[EUG-LUG:2346] Re: Need RedHat 7.2 CDs

2002-04-19 Thread Larry Price
On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Dennis J. Eberl wrote: General question. I'd like to bring a box in and have RH 7.2 installed at one of the meetings. Do you keep current copies of RH on hand so I could just lug in my box or would I have to make some kind of arrangement before hand? If there's a

[EUG-LUG:2347] Re: Need RedHat 7.2 CDs

2002-04-19 Thread Larry Price
On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Mike O wrote: Generally speaking I normally have RedHat 7.2 (or newer) on hand with me. I should be able to attend next weeks clinic. How was everything at EFN? It went fairly well, we managed to get to the debian linux uncompress cycle with a Sparcstation that someone

[EUG-LUG:2324] Re: Revolution OS Found!

2002-04-14 Thread Larry Price
On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, Bob Miller wrote: Seth Cohn wrote: I'll offer some shelf space to EUGLUG at EFN, IF someone will code up (or find freshmeat) and install, (EUGLUG will provide the webspace), a lending library tracking program to make it really easy so that we know WHO borrows

[EUG-LUG:2285] Re: c#?

2002-04-12 Thread Larry Price
On 11 Apr 2002, Rob Hudson wrote: Anyone know much about C-pound? ;) I know it's a Microsoft thing, but what is their agenda? I haven't seen any C# code so don't know too much about why it exists, etc. It's m$ answer to the 'Java Threat'. As I understand it it's the first language

[EUG-LUG:2289] Re: c#?

2002-04-12 Thread Larry Price
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Kahli R. Burke wrote: /snippage subject=C#,m$ business strategy Some people are taking this very seriously, others not so and I'd put myself into the latter camp. Personally, I like Java's platform for web services and such, seeing as it's existed (in a non-vaporware

[EUG-LUG:2291] Alternate dns; has anyone else played with this?

2002-04-12 Thread Larry Price
http://root-dns.org is a coordination point for multiple alternate dns systems. http://open-rsc.org is one point of contact, they've been running some .tld's since 1996, and they have some serious people on board. from glancing over their zone file I see that it's possible to have a .bofh

[EUG-LUG:2303] Re: Alternate dns; has anyone else played withthis?

2002-04-12 Thread Larry Price
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, Linux Rocks ! wrote: Well... You can register location specific domains (like blah.eug.or.us), but I havnt done it yet... it might be fun to check that out during one of the clinics. I belive there is a nominal fee... No I was talking about becoming the registrar for

[EUG-LUG:2225] why?

2002-04-06 Thread Larry Price
does anyone have any idea why the host command is aliased, or repeated as , when I found it I was convinced I'd been hacked on my home machine down a dialup line. Some noodling around with strings and diff and a quick run of chkrootkit made me think that hostile action was unlikely.

[EUG-LUG:2227] Re: why? could be ipv6

2002-04-06 Thread Larry Price
a bit of google and grepping and i find an answer in rfc 1886 to wit: 2.1 record type The resource record type is a new record specific to the Internet class that stores a single IPv6 address. The value of the type is 28 (decimal). 2.2 data format A 128 bit IPv6

[EUG-LUG:2207] Re: EFN grand opening party?

2002-04-05 Thread Larry Price
On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Mr O wrote: Is that tonight? I've heard nothing further on it. Must make plans. Either I frag or I party. Just have to know. Yes it is, it's looking nice, lots of people will be there, it's the hip social event of the season for the eugene digerati. Music, art,

[EUG-LUG:2175] Re: SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT: April PLUG Meeting

2002-04-03 Thread Larry Price
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, David Mandel wrote: 7 PM Thursday Apr 4, 2002 Portland State University Smith Memorial Center Room 294/296 Wiki Wiki

[EUG-LUG:2181] Re: SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT: April PLUG Meeting

2002-04-03 Thread Larry Price
On Wed, 3 Apr 2002, Dexter Graphic wrote: I might be persuaded to go if someone could explain to me what Wiki Wiki is. I spent about half an hour going around in circles on the Wiki web site and I only got more confused the more I read about what it was supposed to be. Wiki Wiki is one of

[EUG-LUG:2190] Register contest for VIA mobo

2002-04-03 Thread Larry Price
The deal is you write a 200 word essay, and if they pick your entry you get one of three VIA Eden EPIA Mini-ITX motherboards. These are the 170mm x 170mm fanless embedded processing boards, builtin ethernet, graphics and sound and an embedded x86 processor running @ 800 mhz. the story is here

[EUG-LUG:2130] HP 9000/300's available

2002-03-29 Thread Larry Price
So I just talked to a gentleman named Charles Weber who has a pair of HP9000/300 workstations that he's looking to get rid of, most of the people here in the office said something about not having a garage to keep them in. Here's what he told me: 64 megs ram each, come in their own roll-away

[EUG-LUG:2133] Re: HP 9000/300's available

2002-03-29 Thread Larry Price
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002, Sean Reifschneider wrote: On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 05:32:22PM -0800, Larry Price wrote: What I know, debian and netbsd ports are available; these are relatively muscular machines using a non-pc (risc) architecture. 9000s300? Those dudes are 68k based... It's the s700

[EUG-LUG:2101] Re: DSL-QWEST

2002-03-28 Thread Larry Price
On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Dean Ridgway wrote: This is just not possible, MSN *REQUIRES* you to use a Microsoft OS. If they detect a non-ms OS (and they do scan) your service will be terminated. I find this claim to be highly unlikely, what about mac users etc. MSN may be part of the beast

[EUG-LUG:2116] RE: Problem setting up apache with CGI

2002-03-28 Thread Larry Price
One debugging trick that's handy for this type of situation is to telnet to port 80 and hand deliver the requests, because that way you see exactly what headers you are spitting out. In this case I'd look for blank lines above the Content-type header On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Grigsby, Garl wrote:

[EUG-LUG:2080] Re: DSL-QWEST

2002-03-26 Thread Larry Price
On Tue, 26 Mar 2002, Dean Ridgway wrote: Greetings Jim, I am considering a QWEST DSL package that is available to me through 3/31/02. I have two concerns about it. 1. The ISP is MSN . Does anyone on the list have experience with linux and msn as a ISP. As I remember the MSN site has

[EUG-LUG:2075] Re: DSL-QWEST

2002-03-23 Thread Larry Price
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002, Ralph Zeller wrote: EFN is a business?? I thought it was a non-profit organization. I'm not knocking efn, I think efn provides a great service to the community. I'll tackle this one, EFN is a not-for-profit business that is a wholly owned subsidiary of Oregon

[EUG-LUG:2045] Re: Program unable to find Java

2002-03-20 Thread Larry Price
On Wed, 20 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am trying to install a Lexmark printer utility program on RedHat 7.2. The script ends with an error that it can't find a suitable Java VM in the machine. I installed Java and Java3 Runtime libraries via rpm. The files I installed were libgcj

[EUG-LUG:1997] Re: thursday clinic

2002-03-14 Thread Larry Price
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Jim K wrote: It would seem there is no clinic at Emerald park tonight. At least no one was there at 7:p.m. tonight. Jim k Neil and I showed up shortly after 7:00 and wited around for 20 minutes before leaving, but we didn't see any other Linux Geeks These things happen

[EUG-LUG:1971] Shell one-liner poser

2002-03-13 Thread Larry Price
The Problem: I wanted to send myself a listing of files in a directory from a remote machine. How I solved it: $ ls -l /path/foo bar $ mail -slisting of /path/foo [EMAIL PROTECTED] bar How I tried to solve it: $ mail -sbleh [EMAIL PROTECTED] `ls -l /path/foo` does not work because '`'

[EUG-LUG:1975] Re: Shell one-liner poser

2002-03-13 Thread Larry Price
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Kahli R. Burke wrote: I think you're thinking about this in reverse. Instead of trying to override stdin with the output of a command like this: command1 [command2] do this: command2 | command1 This is what I usually do; in this case I was

[EUG-LUG:1961] Re: (no subject)

2002-03-12 Thread Larry Price
On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, john muhr wrote: whens the next time you meet and where? We usually meet Thursday Nights from 18:00 - 2[0-3]:00 We've been meeting at Emerald Park in one of the meeting rooms, in not too long we should start meeting at efn.org Maybe this week.. (Seth??) Emerald Park

[EUG-LUG:1964] Re: Extra Thursday Fun Anyone? Sweet Clusters ofGlory!

2002-03-12 Thread Larry Price
On 12 Mar 2002, Ben Barrett wrote: Well I hardly ever make Thursday meetings anyway, but a buddy of mine, Matthew Sottile snip called ClusterMatic, which is basically their distro -- they give it away at conferences and shows like super computing... But Matt is coming through Eugene on

[EUG-LUG:1967] Re: Sweet Clusters of Glory! -or why linux SUCKS (not)

2002-03-12 Thread Larry Price
On 12 Mar 2002, Ben Barrett wrote: Well, I knew the folks to code on the kernel are an elitist bunch, but I thought it was because they were god-like. Turns out that lanl Advanced Computing Lab folk have been finding a lot of outstanding bugs in various bits (bsd kernels too! but they

[EUG-LUG:1939] Re: Folding: Python vs. Perl

2002-03-11 Thread Larry Price
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002, Ralph Zeller wrote: KBob's script works fine in python2.2, but how do you make work with regard to inheritance using python1.5.2 ? The UserList class encapsulates a list that can then have additional methods added to it. You need to import it before you can inherit

[EUG-LUG:1906] Re: wireless network

2002-03-09 Thread Larry Price
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, J. Toman wrote: The other annoyance is that the sole interface is web based, and uses javascript which I think is nuts for an embedded system. I think the interface should first be stable, not pretty. But that would mean they'd have to leave the product design to

[EUG-LUG:1886] consulting cooperation (was wireless)

2002-03-08 Thread Larry Price
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Bob Crandell wrote: Correction, that's MESSY. I'm still working on it. I'm beginning to think it requires an administrative arm that I can't afford yet. It goes back to the idea of herding cats while presenting a professional image to the public. Seth Cohn ([EMAIL

[EUG-LUG:1858] Re: Folding: Python vs. Perl

2002-03-07 Thread Larry Price
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Bob Miller wrote: Perl Pluses Parsing the input was easier in Perl. I used the exact same regular expressions in both, but the Perl seemed a lot easier. Is it because Python\'s regex flavor require\'s you \escape\ everything\? First time I've

[EUG-LUG:1874] Re: Folding: Python vs. Perl

2002-03-07 Thread Larry Price
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Bob Miller wrote: It's not part of the base Python distribution. There's a Perl CPAN module that does simple statistics, and I chose not to use it because it'd make it harder for all us club members to run the script. I'd use the same argument against mxDateTime. I

[EUG-LUG:1819] Re: DOJ M$ comments online...

2002-03-02 Thread Larry Price
On Sat, 2 Mar 2002, Kahli R Burke wrote: Seth Cohn wrote: Kbob's is online at http://wwwusdojgov/atr/cases/ms_tuncom/public/18/mtc-00017012htm Hats off to those who expressed their views It appears that we are being taken seriously so far

[EUG-LUG:1735] Re: Problems with KPP

2002-02-24 Thread Larry Price
Look in your logs to see if there is anything informative there, particularly /var/log/error.log I think Jim has the correct diagnosis, but it may have to do with KPP not fully relinquishing root privileges once it's dialed (it would need to be SUID to access the modem) On Sat, 23 Feb 2002,

[EUG-LUG:1706] Clinic at Emerald Park?

2002-02-21 Thread Larry Price
Are we having the clinic at emerald park tonight? Are we having a clinic at all? http://www.efn.org/~laprice( Community, Cooperation, Consensus http://www.opn.org ( Openness to serendipity, make mistakes http://www.efn.org/~laprice/poems ( but learn from them.(carpe

[EUG-LUG:1689] Globally unique Identifiers?

2002-02-20 Thread Larry Price
So, I've been digging through various RFC's for a project I'm working on and I came upon the following passage in RFC 2557 Note: Content-IDs MUST be globally unique [MIME1]. It is thus not permitted to make them unique only within a message or within a single multipart/related

[EUG-LUG:1697] Re: Globally unique Identifiers?

2002-02-20 Thread Larry Price
On Wed, 20 Feb 2002, Neil Parker wrote: If you're on an Internet-connected machine, start with the fully-qualified domain name. Then you only need to make the rest unique within your machine, which can often be done by using the current time stamp and process ID. If you need to have a

[EUG-LUG:1605] Re: ssh (?from EFN?)

2002-02-12 Thread Larry Price
Hmmm, a puzzler ;-) how about using the -l option to skip verifying identity and use password instead, do you still get the same results? I just tried ssh'ing back to my workstation from garcia and it sez connection refused which is what I expect... http://www.efn.org/~laprice(

[EUG-LUG:1608] Re: ssh (?from EFN?)

2002-02-12 Thread Larry Price
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002, Jacob Meuser wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2002 at 09:59:01PM -0800, Horst wrote: My box: Mkd 8.1 ; sshd version OpenSSH_2.9p2: garcia.efn.org SunOs 4.1.4 OpenSSH_2.5.2p2, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090600f I remember some mention of compatability problems with OpenSSH

[EUG-LUG:1598] Re: ssh (?from EFN?)

2002-02-11 Thread Larry Price
You may be running into the fact that efn filters incoming connections to privileged ports (1024) with the exception of ident(113). On Mon, 11 Feb 2002, Horst wrote: My box: Mkd 8.1 ; sshd version OpenSSH_2.9p2: I can NOT ssh from efn to my box. no previous outgoing I

[EUG-LUG:1579] Article about chkrootkit

2002-02-10 Thread Larry Price
On Oreilly DevCenter http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/02/07/rootkits.html This article covers a particular tool for checking for know root kit signatures, but if you are really concerned about security it's better to be pro-active, and make sure your systems is locked down from the

[EUG-LUG:1574] Re: re-nicing programs

2002-02-09 Thread Larry Price
man nice says it's for running a command with a specified scheduling priority. nice [OPTION]... [COMMAND... [ARG]..] On Sat, 9 Feb 2002, justin bengtson wrote: is there a way to re-nice a command besides top? better yet, is there a way to set the nice value of a command at the moment of

[EUG-LUG:1522] Re: eugene dsl

2002-02-07 Thread Larry Price
On 6 Feb 2002, michael white wrote: Maybe this has been discussed before, but I'm thinking about getting dsl and I'm wondering if any of you have any experiences or opinions that you like to share regarding the various local providers? I'm biased and will recommend EFN, as it is linux

[EUG-LUG:1496] Re: unwritable drive?

2002-02-06 Thread Larry Price
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Mr O wrote: Wierdness happening on my RedHat 7.1 box. Getting an error that I can't write to the drive because there's no room?? Have you tried running fsck? Impossible. Anybody have a clue on this one? I have at minimum hudreds of megs on any given partition except

[EUG-LUG:1497] Re: Word Processors Considered Harmful

2002-02-06 Thread Larry Price
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Bob Miller wrote: This morning a colleague (I love that word!) forwarded me two fine rants against word processors. http://newsobserver.com/wednesday/business/Story/908438p-906360c.html http://ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu/~cottrell/wp.html The second article promotes

[EUG-LUG:1415] Re: let's finalize

2002-02-02 Thread Larry Price
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002, Kahli R. Burke wrote: Mark Bigler wrote: RMS pointed out the inconsistency, and suggested EUGLUG wasn't a true GLUG. I was just offering a kludge fix. It's OK, I wasn't getting angry with you, I'm just feeling like too much energy is being put into picking at

[EUG-LUG:1367] Re: flame wars and GNU/Linux

2002-02-01 Thread Larry Price
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Jacob Shaw wrote: On 1/31/02 10:44 PM, Larry Price [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I suspect that RMS has taken to using this as a test of ideological purity see rms's reply especially the bit about words are important bsd bigot You know... Jordan Hubbard isn't like

[EUG-LUG:1369] Re: flame wars and GNU/Linux

2002-02-01 Thread Larry Price
On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Rob Hudson wrote: Other than the disadvantage of choosing a platform in the minority, what's the reason to choose a GPLd platform? Or, why NOT choose *BSD? The GPL actually encourages the right sorts of competition for the entire system to grow faster, this is why people

[EUG-LUG:1355] Re: Meeting tonight

2002-01-31 Thread Larry Price
1400 Lake Dr. Eugene, OR It's North by River Road, that's all I remember On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Woody Mims, wrote: I've lost the directions to the Clinic tonight. I'm bringing a friend and 2 machines. Please help! Woody http://www.efn.org/~laprice( Community, Cooperation,

[EUG-LUG:1360] Re: flame wars and GNU/Linux (fwd)

2002-01-31 Thread Larry Price
RMS replies... -- Forwarded message -- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 20:38:12 -0700 (MST) From: Richard Stallman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [EUG-LUG:1298] Re: flame wars and GNU/Linux require login, make it

[EUG-LUG:1301] Re: flame wars and GNU/Linux

2002-01-30 Thread Larry Price
I propose the following, We update the website to be completely dynamic, require login, make it customisable. Have the settings page contain a paragraph setting like. Do you prefer to call the software system made up of the Linux kernel and the GNU userland tools a. Linux [] b. GNU/Linux []

[EUG-LUG:1318] Re: Re. OS X Query - review from a Mac OS and Linuxuser

2002-01-30 Thread Larry Price
On Wed, 30 Jan 2002, Harald Sundt wrote: I know its BD Unix or whatever, That sounds bizarrely appropriate somehow. but Linux goes smoother. I think there will be a lot of unsung and un-noticed Mac users with both Mac OS 9 and X on their system for Years! Ah yes and a lot of people

[EUG-LUG:1283] Re: dream job?

2002-01-29 Thread Larry Price
On Mon, 28 Jan 2002, justin bengtson wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns1847 Everquest has a GNP/capita just under Russia... In other news Tommy Jenkins of Ms. Haynes 4th grade class just announced a leveraged buyout of microsoft based on a portfolio offer consisting

[EUG-LUG:1210] Re: Folding@home woes

2002-01-23 Thread Larry Price
or maybe they're done...folding folded. BTW, did they ever get around to releasing their client in source form? http://www.efn.org/~laprice( Community, Cooperation, Consensus http://www.opn.org ( Openness to serendipity, make mistakes http://www.efn.org/~laprice/poems

[EUG-LUG:1142] Re: directory size problems

2002-01-20 Thread Larry Price
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Timothy Bolz wrote: I've been having problems with gnome and I think I'm getting close to finding out why. When I want to change backgrounds it will not change. Anything to do with the gnome controll center doesn't work. If I change to a different user I can do the

[EUG-LUG:1143] Re: sysvinit code

2002-01-20 Thread Larry Price
Somehow I always knew that init was an ogre... Also reminded of Cronos and the titanomachia...guess you have to have some liberal arts in the background to get that one. On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, justin bengtson wrote: from sysvinit source/src/init.c : /* *Loop through the list of

[EUG-LUG:1089] Re: console resolution

2002-01-17 Thread Larry Price
man consolechars the fonts are in /usr/share/consolefonts/ you can always get back to the defaults by using consolechars -d you will want to play around with diffferent fonts until you find one that works. me i've got weak eyesight and like my fonts BIG On Thu, 17 Jan 2002, Ron LeVine wrote:

[EUG-LUG:1015] Re: OpenBSD, win98, and bloat! (was : Re: Jukebox)

2002-01-14 Thread Larry Price
On 14 Jan 2002, justin bengtson wrote: oh, and one more thing : can OpenBSD and Linux share /home partitions? Yes. Make sure both systems know about each others filesystems. put /home on a partition where both OS's can mount it Put the entry in the fstab(5) for each OS

[EUG-LUG:1018] Re: Python Questions

2002-01-14 Thread Larry Price
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Bob Miller wrote: Q1. Perl has CPAN, a hugeamongous repository of useful libraries. What's the Python equivalent? Sourceforge ;-) There are ongoing projects to do something of this sort, but mostly if it's not in the standard library and it's not in debian, it's on a

[EUG-LUG:1026] Re: Python Questions

2002-01-14 Thread Larry Price
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, Bob Miller wrote: Larry Price wrote: There are ongoing projects to do something of this sort, but mostly if it's not in the standard library and it's not in debian, it's on a path that leads through a google search. Okay, how do I find/search the standard library

[EUG-LUG:985] Re: Linux in US News World Report

2002-01-12 Thread Larry Price
On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Mark Bigler wrote: But, I also want proprietary companies to be able to sustain themselves, for a while, in the Linux world. And, for that, I think a period where Linux has a common ABI they could deliver to would help them to explore the Linux commercial space.

[EUG-LUG:966] Re: Linux in US News World Report

2002-01-11 Thread Larry Price
On Fri, 11 Jan 2002, Mark Bigler wrote: http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/020114/tech/14linux.htm It reminds me of businessweek article from a few years back, where bw referred to rms as Mr. Stahlings, (they did have a fairly decent picture of him playing flute in a server room). But it is

[EUG-LUG:905] giving the finger to groupware

2002-01-08 Thread Larry Price
there's a neat article on finger (the protocol) at htpp://www.moshebar.com/article.php?sid=36mode=threadorder=0 I know that I've had occasion to use it a fair bit at efn (not sure if it's available outside this particular goldfish pond) Soon it'll be a thing of the past like buggy whips and

[EUG-LUG:876] Future is now! (drool!)

2002-01-07 Thread Larry Price
this just crawled out of the press release basket http://www.rocketcalc.com announced that they are now selling the RedStone desktop cluster. which is an 8-way cluster of 1Ghz pentium processors in a mid tower box standard unit is priced at 6k USD (ouch!) I have an application in mind that

[EUG-LUG:890] Re: Future is now! (drool!)

2002-01-07 Thread Larry Price
Wow! I hadn't heard of Professor Cope, and his compositional macintosh but I can't say I'm that surprised. I have to agree with Dr. Hofstader (yes, that Hofstader) that it is a bit unnerving to think that a mere information processing system could produce something that was as Beautiful as a

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