Re: Optimal Prediction

2002-03-28 Thread Juergen Schmidhuber
Bill Jefferys wrote: At 9:19 AM +0100 3/27/02, Juergen Schmidhuber wrote: You are claiming the AP necessarily implies a specific fact about nuclear energy levels? I greatly doubt that - can you give a proof? Yes, I can.

Re: Optimal Prediction

2002-03-28 Thread Juergen Schmidhuber
Bill Jefferys wrote: It's pointless wasting my time on this. As both Russell and I pointed out, this is a standard example that is cited by people who are knowledgeable about the AP. Either you have a different definition of predictive power than the rest of us do, or you don't understand

Re: Optimal Prediction

2002-03-28 Thread Wei Dai
On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 10:44:41AM -0500, Bill Jefferys wrote: It's pointless wasting my time on this. As both Russell and I pointed out, this is a standard example that is cited by people who are knowledgeable about the AP. Either you have a different definition of predictive power than

Re: Optimal Prediction

2002-03-28 Thread Bill Jefferys
At 9:32 AM -0800 3/28/02, Wei Dai wrote: Perhaps you're not familiar with the history of this mailing list, but Juergen Schmidhuber is one of the first authors to explicitly state the idea that all possible universes exist in a published scientific paper, and that paper is cited in the public

Re: Optimal Prediction

2002-03-28 Thread Bill Jefferys
At 6:09 PM +0100 3/28/02, Juergen Schmidhuber wrote: Predictive power is measurable by standard concepts of probability theory and complexity theory. Agreed. You may choose to ignore this, but don't include all those who don't among the rest of us. Write down all assumptions, derive the

Re: Optimal Prediction

2002-03-28 Thread Saibal Mitra
I don't understand this point. Bill Jefferys wrote: Ockham's razor is a consequence of probability theory, if you look at things from a Bayesian POV, as I do. Saibal Mitra

Wierd behavior

2002-03-28 Thread Bill Jefferys
Is there a reason why I sometimes get two copies of postings to this list? Bill

Re: Wierd behavior

2002-03-28 Thread Wei Dai
Some posts are sent to you and cc'ed to the list, or vice versa, so you'll receive two copies of those. If you're receiving two copies of other posts, please forward both copies to me and I'll try to figure out the problem from the email headers. On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 02:03:46PM -0500, Bill

Re: Optimal Prediction

2002-03-28 Thread Hal Finney
Bill Jefferys, [EMAIL PROTECTED], writes: Ockham's razor is a consequence of probability theory, if you look at things from a Bayesian POV, as I do. This is well known in Bayesian circles as the Bayesian Ockham's Razor. A simple discussion is found in the paper that Jim Berger and I

Re: Optimal Prediction

2002-03-28 Thread H J Ruhl
I agree at this point that the AP by itself has no predictive power. My view is that a predictor that currently works in a given universe - say the AP plus other stuff - can not be considered to continue to work. Any universe is subject to true noise either because its rules allow it [type

Re: Optimal Prediction

2002-03-28 Thread Hal Finney
My son was taking a class in college on the philosophy of science. One of the things they talked about was the validity of induction. The basic idea of induction is to identify a pattern and extrapolate it forward. Simplified, induction assumes that the way things have been in the past is the