Re: Victor Korotkikh

2009-05-14 Thread ronaldheld
Bruno: Can you explain your Physics statement in more detail, which I can understand? Ronald On May 13, 11:30 am, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Thanks Russell, I will take a look. At first sight he makes the same   error with numbers that

No MWI

2009-05-14 Thread ronaldheld
read Aixiv.org:0905.0624v1 (quant-ph) and see if you agree with it Ronald --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-14 Thread John Mikes
Stathis, I agree halfway with you and expected something (maybe more). Do you mean the others are zombies? not ME (you, etc. 1st pers). I take it one step further, the fun (I agree) includes a satisfaction that here is a bunch of really smart guys and I can tell them something in their profession

Re: 3-PoV from 1 PoV?

2009-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Stephen, On 13 May 2009, at 22:20, Stephen Paul King wrote: Hi Bruno, I see the goal that you have, as best I can understand your writtings and discussions. I salute your valiant efforts. The ideas that I have expressed so far, such as those in this exchange, are merely the

Re: No MWI

2009-05-14 Thread Jason Resch
The following link shows convincingly that what one gains by accepting MWI is far greater than what one loses (an answer to the born probabilities) http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/05/if-many-worlds.html The only law in all of quantum mechanics that is non-linear, non-unitary,

Re: Victor Korotkikh

2009-05-14 Thread Bruno Marchal
Ronald, On 14 May 2009, at 13:19, Ronald (ronaldheld) wrote: Can you explain your Physics statement in more detail, which I can understand? UDA *is* the detailed explanation of that physics statement. So it would be simpler if you could tell me at which step you have a problem of

Re: Victor Korotkikh

2009-05-14 Thread Brent Meeker
Bruno Marchal wrote: Ronald, On 14 May 2009, at 13:19, Ronald (ronaldheld) wrote: Can you explain your Physics statement in more detail, which I can understand? UDA *is* the detailed explanation of that physics statement. So it would be simpler if you could tell me at which step

Re: No MWI

2009-05-14 Thread Colin Hales
Hi, When I read quantum mechanics and listen to those invested in the many places the mathematics leads, What strikes me is the extent to which the starting point is mathematics. That is, the entire discussion is couched as if the mathematics is defining what there is, rather than a mere

Re: No MWI

2009-05-14 Thread Brent Meeker
Colin Hales wrote: Hi, When I read quantum mechanics and listen to those invested in the many places the mathematics leads, What strikes me is the extent to which the starting point is mathematics. That is, the entire discussion is couched as if the mathematics is defining what there is,

Re: Victor Korotkikh

2009-05-14 Thread russell standish
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 05:30:57PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: Thanks Russell, I will take a look. At first sight he makes the same error with numbers that Wolfram makes with cellular automata. I think this sums up my feeling too. Although, I'm not sure we're talking about the same

Re: No MWI

2009-05-14 Thread Colin Hales
Brent Meeker wrote: Colin Hales wrote: Hi, When I read quantum mechanics and listen to those invested in the many places the mathematics leads, What strikes me is the extent to which the starting point is mathematics. That is, the entire discussion is couched as if the mathematics is

Re: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-14 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/5/15 John Mikes jami...@gmail.com: Stathis, I agree halfway with you and expected something (maybe more). Do you mean the others are zombies? not ME (you, etc. 1st pers). I don't think others are zombies, but it is interesting nevertheless to consider the possibility. I take it one

Re: No MWI

2009-05-14 Thread Kelly Harmon
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Colin Hales c.ha...@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au wrote: My ability to mentally manipulate mathematics therefore makes me a powerful lord of reality and puts me in a position of great authority and clarity. Aren't people who are good at math already pretty much in

RE: Consciousness is information?

2009-05-14 Thread Jesse Mazer
Hi Bruno, I meant to reply to this earlier: From: marc...@ulb.ac.be To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Consciousness is information? Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 14:45:13 +0200 On 30 Apr 2009, at 18:29, Jesse Mazer wrote: Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Apr 2009, at 23:30, Jesse Mazer

Re: No MWI

2009-05-14 Thread daddycaylor
On May 14, 4:45 pm, Colin Hales c.ha...@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au wrote: At the same time position 1 completely fails to explain an observer of the kind able to do 1a. I would say that position 2 fails to explain the observer too, you have to actually explain the observer to claim that a position

Re: No MWI

2009-05-14 Thread daddycaylor
On May 14, 9:47 pm, daddycay...@msn.com wrote: On May 14, 4:45 pm, Colin Hales c.ha...@pgrad.unimelb.edu.au wrote: At the same time  position 1 completely fails to explain an observer of the kind able to do 1a. I would say that position 2 fails to explain the observer too, you have to