Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I see that not only Chris and Quentin will receive their bicycle and their police badge. 2014-08-07 3:47 GMT+02:00 Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au: She lost me at about 6 minutes, which was all I was prepared to give her to convince me she is not a total fruitloop. mass surveillance

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-08-07 3:47 GMT+02:00 Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au: She lost me at about 6 minutes, which was all I was prepared to give her to convince me she is not a total fruitloop. mass surveillance by smart power meters? carbon tax inpingin on civil liberties? mass drug programmes of the

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-08-07 8:57 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: I see that not only Chris and Quentin will receive their bicycle and their police badge. See what I mean ... You should take your pill (we will then come for you with our police badge). 2014-08-07 3:47 GMT+02:00 Russell

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Repeat with me, comrades: heal the Planet! And now in german: Heil der Planet! 2014-08-07 8:57 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: I see that not only Chris and Quentin will receive their bicycle and their police badge. 2014-08-07 3:47 GMT+02:00 Russell Standish

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
We are one person then. constantly at literal and figurative war with one another. This, at best, is a psychotic, individual. I reject it, unless someone comes up with better reasoning, Whatever Bruno came up with, it seems unrelated to this conclusion. Unless the Microsoft slogan refers to

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 10:53 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 August 2014 23:28, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: I have been arguing against not being aware of the premises, not for one of the premises. Yes, my apologies, I think you and I are arguing for the same (or

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Whatever Alberto is, he is not a fascist. The billionaires run the show nowadays, in at least 3 governments, the US, China, and Russia. Money buys access to power and provides influence. Many of the billionaires are Sympatico, with your own view, from what I have read of your views, and are

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
More precisely. give us more and more power over people, rather then fund, sufficiently, remediative energy and anti-pollution technology, or engineering projects on coastlines round the world, because this is our religion/faith movement. To quote mayor of Chicago, Rahm Emmanuel, Never let a

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread Quentin Anciaux
Ahahah what you wrote here is not at all progressive mindset, but libertarian 101 guide to ruling. Yeah, Alberto is mostly a fascist conspiracy theorist nuts... and you're not far from it either... All those BS about the state. You'd be the first to vote for billionaire libertarian... for

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:18 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/5/2014 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On the other hand, you talk about usefulness in a very narrow sense. What makes life bearable in this weird reality we find ourselves in is very personal. We all have our

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 05 Aug 2014, at 01:23, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:29 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/4/2014 6:15 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:37 AM, meekerdb

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:58 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/6/2014 7:02 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:58 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: What does level of substitution have to do with it. You've defined the correct level

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:58 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: What does level of substitution have to do with it. You've defined the correct level substitution as one below which consciousness

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Well, I do lean libertarian, its true. However, unless one is a fanatic, one can change one's mind, based on the results, Hence, we could try libertarianism, in a small geographic area as an experiment and if it fails, it fails! Volunteers in the geographic only, please! We can always go back

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:52 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/6/2014 4:34 PM, LizR wrote: On 7 August 2014 08:56, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: I refuse to play this game where you get to knock down such generalization with partial edited posts,

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
I believe Spud and Alberto should get married. They could raise ducks and feel important like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSZmV_3Lm_A It would be empowering for both of them. Heil der Planet is grammatically (syntax) flawed btw. PGC On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:55 PM, spudboy100 via

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: I believe Spud and Alberto should get married. They could raise ducks and feel important like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSZmV_3Lm_A It would be empowering for both of them. Heil der

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: You are perfectly predictable. I was sure that the responses, if any would follow my last paragraph. This thread will become a meeting of lambs bleating about gay marriage while traveling happily to the slaugher.

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: I believe Spud and Alberto should get married. They could raise ducks and feel important like this guy:

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Thanks spudboy, but I could´nt care less about if they call me fascist or planet lover or whatever. they believe in the magic of calling someone something. I couldn´t care less. The more they the keepers of the words insult me, the more I find that i´m right. 2014-08-07 13:42 GMT+02:00

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
You are mendacious on that and you know it. You extract some anecdotical points with which -even an ultramegasperfascist moron like me may or may not agree- to ridicule her, and hide the main points where she is absolutely right for anyone with a working mind and eyes. 2014-08-07 3:47 GMT+02:00

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
sorry: ultramegasuperfascist, instead of ultramegsperfascist. and even megaultrafascionazihiperwhitesupremacistmoronic. The useful idiots of the new dictaatorship have a poor creativity for the insults. lets help them. 2014-08-07 16:35 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: You are

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread Quentin Anciaux
You see, you're a quick learner... in no time, you'll ask big brother to forgive you... and he will ! Happy bonfire ! 2014-08-07 16:43 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: sorry: ultramegasuperfascist, instead of ultramegsperfascist. and even

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I knew that the exercise was too hard for many of you. But you are the kind lo libertarian that is perfectly irrelevant in this fight for freedom. You have reduced the set of basic principles upon which to think and articulate your life and your goals that you can not even think neither act in any

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: I knew that the exercise was too hard for many of you. But you are the kind lo libertarian that is perfectly irrelevant in this fight for freedom. You have reduced the set of basic principles upon which to think and

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread meekerdb
On 8/7/2014 5:03 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:18 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/5/2014 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On the other hand, you talk about usefulness in a very narrow sense. What makes life bearable

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread meekerdb
On 8/7/2014 5:21 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:58 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/6/2014 7:02 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:58 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:48 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: We don't lose consciousness when asleep. I agree. Glad you agree with this. Then members of this list have decided that consciousness should join free will and God as words that mean absolutely nothing. Nobody can define

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread meekerdb
On 8/7/2014 5:57 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:52 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/6/2014 4:34 PM, LizR wrote: On 7 August 2014 08:56, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread meekerdb
On 8/7/2014 10:33 AM, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:48 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: We don't lose consciousness when asleep. I agree. Glad you agree with this. Then members of this list have decided that consciousness should

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 5:48 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/7/2014 5:03 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:18 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/5/2014 4:23 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On the other hand, you talk about usefulness in a very narrow

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread meekerdb
On 8/7/2014 11:16 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: The trouble with such a theory is that it applies as well to those apoplectic with rage or sobbing in sorrow - maybe they're really happy, we just can't know. But in this case you can ask them. That doesn't help. Their

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Aug 2014, at 03:48, meekerdb wrote: On 8/5/2014 11:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Aug 2014, at 21:17, meekerdb wrote: On 8/4/2014 11:27 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Aug 2014, at 02:09, meekerdb wrote: On 8/3/2014 4:27 PM, Kim Jones wrote: On 4 Aug 2014, at 5:46 am, LizR

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Aug 2014, at 03:58, meekerdb wrote: On 8/5/2014 11:43 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Aug 2014, at 22:30, meekerdb wrote: On 8/4/2014 9:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 03 Aug 2014, at 20:50, meekerdb wrote: On 8/3/2014 9:04 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 2:20 PM,

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 7:54 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/7/2014 5:57 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:52 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/6/2014 4:34 PM, LizR wrote: On 7 August 2014 08:56, Platonist Guitar Cowboy

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread meekerdb
On 8/7/2014 12:34 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Comp gives the 3p identity criterium, from the level of susbstitution you bet on. What does level of substitution have to do with it. You've defined the correct level substitution as one below which consciousness is unchanged. So the the definition

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Aug 2014, at 04:41, meekerdb wrote: On 8/5/2014 4:59 PM, Kim Jones wrote: Normally, up to 87% of what we take away from each other's utterances is carried by the meta data of body languge when we look at the other talk. Clearly this can be manipulative. Most of the person is not in

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Aug 2014, at 16:02, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:58 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: What does level of substitution have to do with it. You've defined the correct level substitution as one below which consciousness is unchanged. So the the

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread meekerdb
On 8/7/2014 12:46 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 7:54 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/7/2014 5:57 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:52 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net

August Exam (was Re: Comp Bedtime Stories)

2014-08-07 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi all, This is my reply to John Clark. You can skip toward the last paragraph as it happens that the post ends with an exercise for everybody. A test of your understanding of the First Person Indeterminacy (FPI). It should not be difficult. It is the Exam Surprise of August :) On 05 Aug

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 03:09:28PM +1200, LizR wrote: On 5 August 2014 14:46, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/4/2014 5:15 PM, LizR wrote: On 5 August 2014 12:12, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Dualism simpliciter is non-testable (just like deism). But when it makes

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread Kim Jones
On 8 Aug 2014, at 4:26 am, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/7/2014 11:16 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: The trouble with such a theory is that it applies as well to those apoplectic with rage or sobbing in sorrow - maybe they're really happy, we just can't know. But in this case

Re: Comp Bedtime Stories

2014-08-07 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 10:36 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/7/2014 12:46 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 7:54 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 8/7/2014 5:57 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:52 AM,

Re: August Exam (was Re: Comp Bedtime Stories)

2014-08-07 Thread LizR
On 8 August 2014 09:11, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: You are on Earth, and you need, for some reason, to go urgently on Mars. Bad luck, you can't really afford the 100% secure quantum classical teleportation channel Earth-Mars, but you have enough money to take a channel where it

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread LizR
On 8 August 2014 01:58, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 3:33 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote: I believe Spud and Alberto should get

Re: The game explained to soft ecologist, ecoalarmist and alternative energy lovers

2014-08-07 Thread LizR
On 8 August 2014 03:13, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: I knew that the exercise was too hard for many of you. The exercise was why is gay marriage anti-human ? I thought my answer was fine. What's yours? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google