Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-27 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I should say that I am not an expert in this issue, however I have found the paper entertaining. The history of Samuel Butler is quite interesting. Butler in 19th century held that heredity and brain memory both involved the storage of information and that the two forms of storage were the

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-27 Thread LizR
I haven't managed to read the entire paper yet, but it seems to be along similar lines to the idea that the brain receives consciousness from somewhere else, like in the story by Barrington Bayley (I forget the title) in which the universe is criss-crossed with beams of consciousness that cause

Re: Democracy

2014-12-27 Thread Alberto G. Corona
But that is not democracy. That is freedom. Freedom has existed without democracy since the beginning. Unless we enter in a crazy contemporary chauvinism that redefines freedom as existence of the majority rule. Although many people is so crazy and low educated and self centered as to accept this

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Dec 2014, at 19:55, meekerdb wrote: On 12/25/2014 11:45 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com ] On Behalf Of Kim Jones Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 7:46 PM To:

Re: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2014-12-27 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Understood, but whether its the Huffington Post or the Standard, my question is, is it true? Yes, I assume at first pass, everything is propaganda. Then I will try to establish, through alternative searches whether there is an confirmation to a claim, independent confirmation. Hopefully,

Re: Democracy

2014-12-27 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Dec 2014, at 03:11, Kim Jones wrote: Democracy is a concept. It can be implemented in various ways. I like Liz's conceptualisation of it as communist-style sharing of astcronomical wealth and resources among the elites with cockroaches and urine for breakfast for the rest of us

Re: Democracy

2014-12-27 Thread LizR
On 27 December 2014 at 23:59, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: But that is not democracy. That is freedom. Freedom has existed without democracy since the beginning. Unless we enter in a crazy contemporary chauvinism that redefines freedom as existence of the majority rule.

Re: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2014-12-27 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: OK Chris, you made some valid points and you've convinced me that I wasn't paying enough care in distinguishing between the very common kerogen oil shale that would need considerable

Re: William Stanley Jevons

2014-12-27 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Tee hee. So you are saying - are you not - that it never makes sense to worry in any naked sense about our tendency to gobble everything up like bacteria in a petri dish The bacteria shouldn't worry if the edge of the

RE: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2014-12-27 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 4:42 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy Understood, but whether its the Huffington Post or the Standard, my question

Re: Testing MWI

2014-12-27 Thread ronaldheld
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Re: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2014-12-27 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Unless there is a technology improvement, the kerogen might stay locked up perpetually, because of the cost of water in the parched western US, and the total costs of remediation of the mad and so forth. There can be developments that make any technology plausible to market. Just look at shale

RE: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2014-12-27 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: OK Chris, you made some valid points and you've convinced me that I

RE: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2014-12-27 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
Our current global energy situation – with say a horizon of the next fifty years – is not ideal. There are no silver bullets; no easy answers. Every single choice we can choose is problematic in one way or another. Continuing our global reliance on fossil fuels is going to continue to become

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-27 Thread meekerdb
On 12/27/2014 12:05 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I should say that I am not an expert in this issue, however I have found the paper entertaining. The history of Samuel Butler is quite interesting. Butler in 19th century held that heredity and brain memory both involved the storage of information

RE: William Stanley Jevons

2014-12-27 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 10:46 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: William Stanley Jevons On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Kim Jones

Re: Democracy

2014-12-27 Thread meekerdb
On 12/27/2014 5:27 AM, LizR wrote: On 27 December 2014 at 23:59, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com mailto:agocor...@gmail.com wrote: But that is not democracy. That is freedom. Freedom has existed without democracy since the beginning. Unless we enter in a crazy contemporary

Re: Democracy

2014-12-27 Thread Kim Jones
On 27 Dec 2014, at 11:44 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 27 Dec 2014, at 03:11, Kim Jones wrote: Democracy is a concept. It can be implemented in various ways. I like Liz's conceptualisation of it as communist-style sharing of astcronomical wealth and resources among the

Re: Democracy

2014-12-27 Thread Kim Jones
On 27 Dec 2014, at 9:59 pm, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: But that is not democracy. That is freedom. Freedom has existed without democracy since the beginning. Unless we enter in a crazy contemporary chauvinism that redefines freedom as existence of the majority rule.

Re: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2014-12-27 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: A lot of the bets made in the US shale boom are not going to pay off for the investors holding on to the debt; holding those one or two year duration futures hedge contracts priced at $90 a

Re: William Stanley Jevons

2014-12-27 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: we burned our planetary surplus up in a fantastically expensive cold war. What did that get us? We got nuclear weapons which prevented the cold war from turning into a hot war and cause the

Re: William Stanley Jevons

2014-12-27 Thread Kim Jones
On 28 Dec 2014, at 11:40 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List everything-list@googlegroups.com wrote: we burned our planetary surplus up in a fantastically expensive cold war. What did that get us? We got nuclear

Re: William Stanley Jevons

2014-12-27 Thread meekerdb
On 12/27/2014 5:42 PM, Kim Jones wrote: Had we not dropped the bomb on Japan we would certainly be in a different universe now. Probably one in which I as a citizen of an extended Japanese empire in the Pacific would enjoy bullet train (shinkansen) style air-conditioned serene comfort on my

Re: William Stanley Jevons

2014-12-27 Thread Kim Jones
On 28 Dec 2014, at 1:07 pm, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/27/2014 5:42 PM, Kim Jones wrote: Had we not dropped the bomb on Japan we would certainly be in a different universe now. Probably one in which I as a citizen of an extended Japanese empire in the Pacific would

Re: William Stanley Jevons

2014-12-27 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: Had we not dropped the bomb on Japan we would certainly be in a different universe now. Yes but I'm more interested in what sort of universe we'd be in if nobody had ever thought to build a nuclear bomb in the first place. I

Re: William Stanley Jevons

2014-12-27 Thread John Clark
On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: You'd also be living in a militaristic society as a racially inferior minority and possibly working as slave labor laying tracks for the shinkansen. I know that if I had been a American soldier in 1945 and was miraculously still

Re: I signed up to be cryogenically frozen

2014-12-27 Thread zibblequibble
On Friday, December 26, 2014 7:25:01 PM UTC, zibble...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 3:23:56 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: John Clark wrote: On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Bruce Kellett bhke...@optusnet.com.au mailto:bhke...@optusnet.com.au wrote: I

RE: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy

2014-12-27 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Clark Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2014 4:05 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Natural gas: The fracking fallacy On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything

Re: William Stanley Jevons

2014-12-27 Thread Jason Resch
On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 9:59 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: You'd also be living in a militaristic society as a racially inferior minority and possibly working as slave labor laying tracks for the shinkansen. I know

Re: Intelligence Consciousness

2014-12-27 Thread zibblequibble
On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 4:47:09 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Dec 2014, at 20:14, LizR wrote: Sometimes allegedly conscious beings behave very unintelligently. However using Bruno's distinction intelligent behaviour is conscious (goal directed etc) but competent behaviour

Re: Intelligence Consciousness

2014-12-27 Thread zibblequibble
On Monday, December 22, 2014 6:59:25 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 6:20 AM, zibble...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Something can be conscious but not intelligent, but if it's intelligent then it's conscious. Consciousness is easy but intelligence John - take

Re: Long term memory is extra-corporeal

2014-12-27 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Am 27.12.2014 um 22:33 schrieb meekerdb: On 12/27/2014 12:05 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I should say that I am not an expert in this issue, however I have found the paper entertaining. The history of Samuel Butler is quite interesting. Butler in 19th century held that heredity and brain memory