Re: “Could a Quantum Computer Have Subjective Experience?”

2017-06-28 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 28/06/2017 2:26 pm, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 05:09:49PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 27/06/2017 10:21 am, Russell Standish wrote: No, you are just dealing with a function from whatever set the ψ and ψ_α are drawn from to that same set. There's never been an

Re: “Could a Quantum Computer Have Subjective Experience?”

2017-06-28 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 05:09:49PM +1000, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 27/06/2017 10:21 am, Russell Standish wrote: > >No, you are just dealing with a function from whatever set the ψ and ψ_α > >are drawn from to that same set. There's never been an assumption that > >ψ are numbers or functions, and

Re: What lead to free-will denial?

2017-06-28 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Adrian Chira wrote: > ​> ​ > You assume that it can't be assumed but you bring no support for your > universal claim. > ​ > How do you know that it can't be done? > > ​I know because there is nothing there to assume or not to assume. With free

Re: is there any acceptable definition of free-will?

2017-06-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 at 3:29 pm, Adrian Chira wrote: > I suggest there is and that we don’t need to throw the notion of free will > in the garbage bin of meaninglessness. > > > https://adrianmchira.wordpress.com/2017/06/28/is-there-any-acceptable-definition-of-free-will/ > >

Re: What lead to free-will denial?

2017-06-28 Thread Adrian Chira
John, I can't point out the contradiction because there is none. And it leads to no contradiction because free will can't be assumed. You assume that it can't be assumed but you bring no support for your universal claim. How do you know that it can't be done? What happens if I do it anyway?

Re: is there any acceptable definition of free-will?

2017-06-28 Thread John Clark
​I can think of 2 definitions of "free will" that are not gibberish, although neither is useful:​ 1) It is the inability to know what you will decide to do next before you decide to do it. 2) It is a sequence of letters that lots of people on the internet like to type. John K Clark -- You

Re: What lead to free-will denial?

2017-06-28 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 3:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​>> ​ >> Harry Potter doesn't exist, but it would be wrong to say free will >> doesn't exist. Free will has neither the property of existence nor >> nonexistence because free will is pure unadulterated gibberish. > > > ​> ​

Re: What lead to free-will denial?

2017-06-28 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:28 PM, Adrian Chira wrote: ​>> ​ >> free will makes no sense in any context > > ​> ​ > Except the context which assumes free will. If the assumption of free will > leads to a logical contradiction please point that out. > ​I can't point out the

Re: What lead to free-will denial?

2017-06-28 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 27 Jun 2017, at 16:14, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 4:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​As Brent just mentioned, it makes sense in a court law, ​No,​ ​free will makes no sense in any context​;​ and that's exactly why the court system in most countries is