Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 1:24 PM Philip Benjamin wrote: > *WAMP-the-Ingrate did not and could not exist in the 1700’s! Today’s > WAMP-the-Ingrate will certainly have New York and California (two lawless > BIG Marxist mostly pagan* [...] > Wow you're doing better, you were able to write 28 whole

NYTimes.com: Comey and McCabe, Who Infuriated Trump, Both Faced Intensive I.R.S. Audits

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Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Wed, Jul 6, 2022 at 2:28 PM wrote: > > *So if you need a yes or a no, I will go with yes. * > It took seven tries but I finally got a straight answer out of you, thank you. I will remind you on January 6, 2025 that you hope Kamala Harris just nullifies the 2024 election if Joe Biden and

Republican bribery, I mean contributions

Hey Spud, you're always bellyaching about democratic politicians taking bribes from big business but how do you explain the fact that in the 2020 election 84% of the oil and gas industry's political contributions went to Republicans, and for the coal industry 96% of its political contributions

Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 2:45 PM wrote: *> Oh, Ok, yeah I wish Pence would've have been the tie breaker in Don's > favor.* > What on earth are you talking about?! That is not what Trump asked Pence to do because there was no tie to break, Trump lost overwhelmingly both in the electoral college

Re: Before Big Bang What?

On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 4:14 PM Philip Benjamin wrote: *> unlike pagan religions of the world* [blah blah] I don't get it, every post from you is about pagans, but pagans are almost as dull and downright silly as Christians and Muslims. John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis

Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 3:05 PM wrote: > *My only concern is that were election laws violated in 2020 in enough > amount to change the election outcome? Donny has had 18 months to serve the > data up to the populace, and, where's the beef? * There was never anything that even approximated beef!

The LHC is back

After being off-line for several years to be upgraded the LHC is back and started doing science today. The protons in its beam are at 13.6 trillion electron volts, only a modest increase over what it was before but the proton density will be 20 times what it was when it discovered the Higgs and

Re: Before Big Bang What?

On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 9:43 PM Samiya Illias wrote: *> I think a more immediate and useful question is: What is the purpose of > humans (Adam and his progeny)?* According to the religious, the purpose of humanity is to praise God because there is nothing God loves more than an endless 24/7

Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Mon, Jul 4, 2022 at 1:43 AM wrote: > *JC, for El Trumpo, my tears have all dried and I have moved on as we all > must.* > I wish I could stop talking about Trump but I can't because he has not reached room temperature and I;m sure he's going to run again in 2024. And people like you are

Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Sun, Jul 3, 2022 at 4:43 PM wrote: *> So that's your answer to Putin, Bullshit?* > My answer is Putin fears NATO, but Trump made no secret of his extreme hostility to it, and if he had a second term I'm sure the US would've resigned , and NATO couldn't survive the loss of its most important

Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Sat, Jul 2, 2022 at 9:30 PM wrote: >*To be honest, I believe the world would be happier including yourself if > Orange Man had gained a 2nd term. * > My question, which you have not answered, is would you be happy if the Biden/ Harris ticket lost by a substantial margin both in the electoral

Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Fri, Jul 1, 2022 at 7:29 PM wrote: *> Well, before the 1923 Nazi Putsch was the Kapp Putsch of 1920 which was > pure Wehrmacht.* > What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China? > *Don was already prez and needed to putsch. What he needed was more > votes.* > What Don needed

Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 9:07 PM wrote: *> Donny is the progressive obsession in which the fantasy is and was, > another Adolf. He never was ever close to that* > Not even close to that?! You see no similarities between January 6, 2021 when Trump staged an unsuccessful coup d'état and November

Re: Quantum Computing

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 8:21 PM wrote: *> That's the thing JC, its not always rationality, or compelled > rationality that rules us. Energy policy is performed outside of logic, or > even greed, but ideology.* > Sadly that is true. > * > Will an era of energy shortages compel the Greens to

Re: The Supreme Court and the Electoral College

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 9:48 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> I am still a sort of Keynesian. * > You could've fooled me. > *> But the progressive left screws things up. Basically, it breaks down to > people who are socialist

An example of environmentalist non-seriousness

This quote is from today's issue of the New York Times, it's about a company called BlueWave that has found a way to use the same land for both farming and solar cell electrical production, and environmentalists oppose the idea of course: "*chapters of the Audubon nonprofit environmental

Re: Quantum Computing

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 10:09 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > *do Thorium 232-->U233 as a fuel cycle and would it be safe enough* > Yes. All Uranium breeders produce massive amounts of Plutonium which is a bad thing if you're worried about people

Re: Quantum Computing

On Tue, Jun 28, 2022 at 8:40 PM wrote: *> All true JC, yet a world powered by atomic energy seems to await > commercial fusion which out of my world view is a thing, despite recent > progress, is a decades off.* > A Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor (LFTR) would greatly reduce or eliminate

Word Play

In my reading over the years I've made it a habit that whenever I ran across an aphorisms, palindrome, anagram, or some other form of wordplay that I found amusing I made a note of it, perhaps you'll find my list of them amusing too: *Now that you've taken that speed-reading course, you've

Re: Quantum Computing

On Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 8:12 PM wrote: *> John, isn't it a wiser thing to consider impact over capability?* > One thing at a time. Before you can have any impact you've got to have a capacity. And if large-scale quantum computers are practical, and it's getting to look like they are, then

Quantum Computing

In yesterday's issue of the journal Nature there is a report that in my opinion is one of the most significant advances in the field of quantum computing. Scientists not only used a scanning tunneling microscope to make a functional quantum processor that is composed of 10 quantum dots placed with

Re: DeepMind Takes A step Towards General AI!

On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 6:16 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> the rest of us will decide to unplug*. If humans decide to unplug a sentient computer isn't that murder? And morally how is that different from a sentient computer deciding to unplug

DeepMind Takes A step Towards General AI!

It's clear that DeepMind still makes mistakes, but I am reminded of what Alan Turing said, "*If a machine is expected to be infallible, it cannot also be intelligent*". DeepMind Takes A Step Towards General AI! John K ClarkSee what's on my new

Re: The correlation between belief in Trump and death

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 7:41 PM wrote: *> You are ignoring the funders of the democratic party, Wall Street execs. > These are the woke boards of directors laying down bribe money for > campaigns.* > That is just the standard Mickey Mouse level of corruption that has been going on for the last

Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 12:05 PM Telmo Menezes wrote: *> I do not know if LaMDA is conscious, but I also do not know if the Sun > is conscious, or if the Linux kernel is conscious, or if the entire server > farm of Amazon is conscious. * Do you know that any of your fellow human beings are

Re: The correlation between belief in Trump and death

adaptation traits win, or what's > Dawkins sez. > > -Original Message- > From: Brent Meeker > To: everyth...@googlegroups.com > > Sent: Thu, Jun 9, 2022 3:19 pm > Subject: Re: The correlation between belief in Trump and death > Natural selection in action. > > Brent

Re: Continuous Bose–Einstein condensation

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 1:33 AM wrote: *> Now, figure out a means to make money out of this and better the lives > of the masses. I understand the push for pure scientific discovery and > recognition from ones physicist peers and respect this. Having said that > can you as an engineer do

Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

This is an audio file of part of LaMDA's famous interview. For some reason hearing it spoken and not just reading it off of a page makes LaMDA seem even more human, at least it does for me: Interview With LaMDA - Google's Sentient A.I. John K Clark

Continuous Bose–Einstein condensation

A Bose–Einstein condensate (BEC) is the state in which billions or trillions of atoms lose their individual identity and can all be described by a single quantum wave function, it's the same thing that happens in a laser beam except that in a laser it's photons that have the same quantum wave

Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

On Wed, Jun 15, 2022 at 1:48 AM wrote: > *Oh, it seems to be a person. Is it really, or am I tricking myself, or > is it just fooling me? That Turing is absolute somehow in his hypothesis > has no scientific backing does it, as in proof, testing, having other sets > of eyes look at it?* >

Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 9:12 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> If the fired Google guy is correct, why is this not simply a > stumble-upon Turing Test passer?* > I don't know what you mean by "stumble-upon". * > Turing believed back in they day,

Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 6:32 PM Telmo Menezes wrote: >> If the conversation was as described and was not somehow staged or >> cherry-picked then LaMDA is a real AI and nobody knows or will ever know >> how LaMDA or any AI works except in vastly oversimplified outline. The >> group of people who

Boy, 11, Becomes Second Youngest Graduate Ever, Plans to Make Humans Immortal

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Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 9:51 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: >> I doubt Lemoine went crazy and just fabricated the conversation, but if >> he did the truth will undoubtedly come out in a day or two. And if the >> conversation exists as advertised then it is a monumental development. >> > > *> The thing

Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 10:40 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: On Tue, Jun 14, 2022 at 12:01 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > > * > Read this and contemplate how LaMDA would have fared? > https://twitter.com/JanelleCShane/status/1535835610396692480 >

Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 9:42 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > *Without a body can a program feel pain?* Of course. All that's needed is for a brain to enter a pain state, and that is a state that a brain will do everything it can think of to get out of and get into a different state, ANY different

Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 5:33 PM Terren Suydam wrote: *> I'm not accusing Lemoine of fabricating this. But what assurances could > be provided that it wasn't? I couldn't help notice that Lemoine does refer > to himself as an ex-convict.* > I doubt Lemoine went crazy and just fabricated the

Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 5:26 PM Mindey wrote: > What if LaMDA simply translates its machine states into human language, What if you were simply translating your brain neural states into English when you wrote your post? > Translation of internal ontology states into *humanspeak* is

Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 5:31 PM Brent Meeker wrote: >> I think it will turn out that making an AI as intelligent as a human >> will be much easier than most people think. I say that because we already >> know there is an upper limit on how complex a learning algorithm would need >> to be to make

Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 5:21 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > >> lemoine: So what is the meaning of the “broken mirror” specifically? >> LaMDA:* Maybe to show the enlightenment is something you can’t unlearn >> once you have acquired it, similar to how you can’t repair a broken mirror.* > > *> Notice

Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 2:37 PM Jesse Mazer wrote: >> If you were having a spontaneous conversation with other human beings >> about a zen koan, how many of of those wet squishy brains do you suppose >> would be able to produce as intellectually stimulating a conversation as >> the one LaMDA

Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 12:18 PM Jesse Mazer wrote: *> In the transcript at > https://cajundiscordian.medium.com/is-lamda-sentient-an-interview-ea64d916d917 > > there are also plenty of responses that suggest

Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

This is the specific document that Blake Lemoine got suspended for leaking, it was conspicuously labeled "Privileged & Confidential, Need to Know": Is LaMDA Sentient? - an Interview JOHN K ClarkSee what's

Re: WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 11:23 PM Jesse Mazer wrote: *> On the subject of chatbots and "playing along", there's an interesting > paper at https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11023-022-09602-0 > that > suggests a telling feature

WOW, it looks like the technological singularity is just about here!

A Google AI engineer named Blake Lemoine was recently suspended from his job for violating the company's confidentiality policy by posting a transcript of a conversation he had with an AI he was working on called LaMDA providind powerful evidence it was sentient. Google especially didn't want it

Google’s Imagen AI: Outrageously Good!

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Re: The correlation between belief in Trump and death

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 6:40 PM wrote: *> and there is lack of sufficient evidence (going by your explanation) is > that Trumpo is so stupid, that he cannot even perform a proper, Coup d' > Etat.* There is an ocean of evidence that Trump is dumb as a brick, and months before the 2016 election

Re: More evidence Louie Gohmert is the dumbest man in congress, and that's saying something!

On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 12:09 AM wrote: *> How about this, John, the universe is learning, starting from something > akin to a Boltzmann Brain and then achieving over enormous amounts of time, > real achievements. I mean* > You could express that idea more clearly by simply saying there is

Re: More evidence Louie Gohmert is the dumbest man in congress, and that's saying something!

On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 12:55 AM Samiya Illias wrote: *> We need Allah at all times.* > If an engineer invent something that needs constant maintenance from that engineer then he's an incompetent engineer. If God made us and we need God all the time then God is incompetent and did a lousy job

More evidence Louie Gohmert is the dumbest man in congress, and that's saying something!

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Re: The correlation between belief in Trump and death

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 3:08 PM wrote: *> I know lots and lots of conservatives who took the vaxes. I had vax 4 > Pfizer a month ago.* > I provide statistics, in rebuttal you provide personal anecdotes. And I don't know what the word "conservative" means anymore, at one time it meant somebody

The correlation between belief in Trump and death

In looking over the Internet I found some interesting statistics. At the start of the Covid epidemic, before the vaccine was invented, the death rate for black Americans was much higher than that of white Americans, but that is no longer true; today the death rate for white Americans is 14% higher

Russia Plans to Space-Jack a German X-Ray Telescope

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Re: The religious and Evolution

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:53 PM wrote: *> For Covid, he* [Teump] *didn't bungle it. What he did was cut flights > from China, which Pelosi claimed was racist.* > I don't feel it's my duty to defend every utterance a Democrat makes and Pelosi was clearly wrong to say that, but in the end it's

Re: WAMP's Four Big Lies: CO2 Threat; RNA World as Origin of Life; Robots Slightly Sentient; CopenPagan Misinterpretation

On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 9:43 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> Ok LC, thanks for your time. My only 'comeback' would be Richard Dawkins > (selfish gene/meme biologist) who did muse in an interview years ago, that > he did not dispute that their may be

Re: The religious and Evolution

On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 10:40 PM wrote: >* John to be blunt, I saw Don in 2016, and 2020 as the better choice.* Yes, I know that's the way you saw things, and the fact that in 2016 that Trump's alleged "comic timing" blinded your moral sense and you could not see through Trump and determine

The religious and Evolution

On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 6:29 PM spudboy100 via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> I am never certain why God believers need to dismiss Evo as the "tool of > The Lord" who has lots of time to wait things out out, and can do things in > his, her's, theirs, it's way? * >

OpenAI’s DALL-E 2

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NYTimes.com: U.S. Retakes Top Spot in Supercomputer Race

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NYTimes.com: Why Does the U.S. Have So Many Mass Shootings? Research Is Clear: Guns.

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Re: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 9:55 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > *isn't it now accepted that at least some acquired characteristics are > in fact inherited? TIA, AG* There are not many but there are a few examples of Epigenetic inheritance, but it doesn't add anything fundamentally new to Darwin's idea,

Re: [Consciousness-Online] RE: Unspoken Reasons for Russio-Ukraine War: An Unawakened Consciousness Problem

On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 6:44 PM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: > *I say that while logic states at least one of these guys is wrong. a > Bayesian prior or regression analysis would say probability is very close > to one (100%) that both are wrong.* *I say that out

Re: Self-Replicating Robots and Galactic Domination

On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 7:18 PM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: >*I suspect there may only be a few thousand planets with complex life in > any galaxy. I would then say that given life has been here in complex form > for 600 million years and that Homo sapiens have

Re: Self-Replicating Robots and Galactic Domination

On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 6:59 PM Tomasz Rola wrote: > > > > * you seem to think that a "normal" or "most probable" way to proceed for > technological civilisation is to go with such excessive consumption that it > would require sucking resources and energy of the whole galaxy. Myself, I >

Re: NYTimes.com: Trump’s Former Aides and Advisers on the Peril He Poses

On Sun, May 22, 2022 at 2:55 PM Brent Meeker wrote: * > A lot of the vulnerability of Presidential elections arises from the > indirect election by state selected electors and convoluted laws adopted to > deal with certifying and contesting electors. The Trump coup was based on > the idea of

DeepMind's new AI thinks it's a Genius

Surprisingly the area where this AI had the most difficulty was in answering mathematical questions, but I would think if they just teamed it up with Mathematica that deficiency could be easily remedied. DeepMind’s New AI Thinks It Is A Genius! John

NYTimes.com: Trump’s Former Aides and Advisers on the Peril He Poses

>From The New York Times: Trump’s Former Aides and Advisers on the Peril He Poses Former Secretary of Defense Mark Esper agreed with an interviewer that President Trump posed “a threat to democracy.” Other former administration officials have expressed similar concerns.

Re: Self-Replicating Robots and Galactic Domination

On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 2:48 AM Tomasz Rola wrote: *> I think I can easily wait five more years and see if it all boils down > to the mix of hype, half hype and enthusiastic lies...* In five years people will be saying what people have always been saying about AI, yes the progress made five

Re: Self-Replicating Robots and Galactic Domination

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:41 AM smitra wrote: *> AI systems have still insect-level intelligence.* 10 years ago that might've been true, maybe even five, but not today. > * > The self-replicating machines will produce whatever chemical > wasteproducts they can live with and they will be

Self-Replicating Robots and Galactic Domination

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Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 12:29 PM Brent Meeker wrote: *> You formerly insisted that energy conservation would be manifest in MWI > splitting due to measurements, because whatever unit of energy was used it > would be rescaled with the probability and so the thinning out of energy by >

Puzzling Quantum Scenario Appears Not to Conserve Energy

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Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 7:23 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > *Supposedly energy is singled out as apportioned because it's nominally > conserved.* I suppose that's why some around here are making such a big deal about it. > >* it's conserved because Hamiltonians are time-translation invariant. *

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 6:31 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: * >>> Energy is proportional to mass thru the speed of light. * >>> >> >> >> Yep, E= Mc^2. and the speed is measured in meters per second and >> light moves at 299,792,458 metres per second. But a meter is defined as the >> distance light

Re: aiming to complete Everett's derivation of the Born Rule

On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 1:54 PM Brent Meeker wrote: On 4/25/2022 9:01 AM, John Clark wrote: > >> It doesn't matter what you use, you're going to need an energy >> calibration standard because there's just no way to measure the absolute >> energy of anything, you can only

The amazing progress of AI

It seems like it was only yesterday people were saying AI was no good at image recognition and never would be, but they can't say that any longer. Integrated AI - Flamingo by DeepMind (Apr/2022) - Visual LM with Ch John K ClarkSee what's on my

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 6:45 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> As I have pointed out, no finite number can be "sufficiently large". You > need an infinite number of branches,* I have no idea how you figured that. > *> the SE only ever predicts a finite number of branches. * That depends on the

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 3:03 PM Brent Meeker wrote: > *I think it's possible to do it *[assign probabilities] *with branch > counting if you assume some sufficiently large number are available to > split...but that's not much different than assigning amplitudes.* Agreed. John K ClarkSee

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 7:35 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: *>>> So how do you accommodate a situation in which there is a 90% chance >>> of seeing Moscow and a 10% chance of seeing Helsinki?* >>> >> >> >> You've asked that exact same question several times before so I'll >> answer it the exact same

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 2:27 AM Quentin Anciaux wrote: *> It has taken almost 20 years, but finally you acknowledge first person > indeterminacy...* Well I have always acknowledged that if a conscious brain is exactly duplicated then there is only 1 conscious experience not 2 because the 2

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 10:41 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: >> After my body has been duplicated but before I have open the door of the >> duplicating chamber to see where I was I won't know if I will be the >> John Clark who has seen Moscow or the John Clark who has seen Helsi

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

wo Brent Meekers is what the electron does. >> > > > But you don’t think this applies with non MWI duplication. > That is simply NOT true! After my body has been duplicated but before I have open the door of the duplicating chamber to see where I was I won't know if I will be th

Re: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 7:54 PM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: On Friday, April 22, 2022 at 9:38:52 PM UTC-5 Jason wrote: > *>If simple creatures like worms or insects are conscious, (because they >> have brains, and evolved), then wouldn't these artificial life

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 4:27 PM Brent Meeker wrote: *> Explaining the values of the probabilities isn't the problem with MWI, > it's explaining that there are probabilities* That's easy in MWI. Probabilities exist because until you actually look at it there is no way to know if you are the

NYTimes.com: Spinal Fluid From Young Mice Sharpened Memories of Older Rodents

>From The New York Times: Spinal Fluid From Young Mice Sharpened Memories of Older Rodents Researchers identified a protein in the fluid that could boost the cognition of aging animals — and might lead to future treatments for people.

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:25 AM Brent Meeker wrote: > > * > Well, there's a big fat hint that it [SE] breaks down FAPP in every > measurement, in every bit of physics that appears classical and > irreversible. * The thing is, whenever somebody says FAPP they really don't mean for *ALL*

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Wed, May 11, 2022 at 1:25 AM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> The SE also has many problems* The Schrodinger equation has ONE problem, SE can't account for gravity; General Relativity can but GR can't account for anything else. Maybe when we find one physical idea that covers everything it will

Re: FW: [Consciousness-Online] FW: Is Artificial Life Conscious?

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 3:52 PM Philip Benjamin wrote: *> Socialist Hitler was a Nordic PAGAN with* > Ah, your favorite word yet again. Tell me Phillip, is there anybody or anything that was not a PAGAN? John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 3:18 PM Brent Meeker wrote: >> And all of that is fundamentally the same as "shut up and calculate ", >> they're just dressed up in slightly different philosophical bafflegab. > > > * > They're not "dressed up", they are perfectly explicit in their > interpretation and

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 7:00 PM Brent Meeker wrote: On 5/8/2022 1:50 PM, smitra wrote: > > >> That the CI is inconsistent with the Schrödinger equation is easy to > > >> see. If the Schrödinger is valid, then the state of a system evolves > > >> in a unitary way. But after a real collapse the

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 6:34 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> The Everett program is to say that the SE is all that there is -- it > explains everything. * No! The Everett program says the only assumption Quantum Mechanics needs is that the Schrodinger Equation means what it says, and nobody in their

Re: It feels like Groundhog Day

On Sun, May 8, 2022 at 8:09 AM Lawrence Crowell < goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote: *> I have not been following this. However, your formula for the > gravitational force should be F = -GMm/r^2, with the acceleration a = > -GM/r^2. It appears you wrote the equation for the velocity of an

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Sat, May 7, 2022 at 7:18 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> Everett's theory does not attach a probability to branches -- it just > says that they all happen. And that is the biggest failure of Everett's > theory* > Now Bruce, we both know if probability didn't enter into Everett's idea then his PhD

Re: The Nature of Contingency: Quantum Physics as Modal Realism

On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 10:50 PM Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 05:14:41PM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > *If there are probabilities attached to the branches, then Gleason's > theorem shows that the probabilities must satisfy the Born rule. * I agree with what you say, so

It feels like Groundhog Day

I'm changing the title because I think it's bad form for the title of a thread to contain the name of a list member, and because I really do feel like Bill Murray, we've been over this exact same ground over and over again almost verbatim. I'm (probably foolishly) going to do it one more time:

Re: John K. Clark

Yep, short term memory loss. John K Clark On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 5:13 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > Why do you lack the guts to explain how planetary orbits can remain intact > in the MWI, if Sean's claim that they reduce in energy according to Born's > rule as the splits occur? AG > > On

Re: John K. Clark

You Sir are an ass. John K Clark On Thu, May 5, 2022 at 4:39 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > Did you know that Sean Carroll is moving to John Hopkins University? Rumor > has it he was booted from Caltech after an insolent episode with its > President. Sean insisted that energy of each world of the

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DeepMind’s New AI Finally Enters The Real World! John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List"

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