Leibniz's theory of perception and consciousness.
The secret of perception. Particular minds and how they relate to the overall
or Cosmic Mind
The problem of perception in materialistic thinking is that it forces us to
think that there is a fleshly homunculus inside our brains.
Leibniz has
How the banks are stealing our wealth.
This seems to be factual, and is non-politcal.
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The bitcoin is an international speculative cyber-currency
(based on nothing) that has been inflating rapidly in price.
I would be wary of investing in it because it can drop in value
just as fast as it is rising. It's probably a bubble.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHVu626uOGE
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Global warming ? Liberals live in a universe of lies.
Arctic sea ice increased by 51 % last year.
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That hateful subject, metaphysics
To deal with consciousness and experiences,
which are mental, not physical, you have to go
to that hateful subject, metaphysics, and
only Leibniz has a good account of the perceiver,
which is the experiencer not available to materialism.
If you still believe
Leibniz on sensory experience
Leibniz maintained that all causation is mental.
This appears to contradict sensory experiences such as being
pricked by a pin, for the cause of the experience would seem
to originate in the body with the prick.
There are a number of resolutions to this
The myth of computer consciousnesss and intelligence
People have been trying to create perpetual motion machines
for centuries, but nobody has succeeded, I believe because
of energy losses. The problem with making computers
truly intelligent I believe is also impossible, because
the final stage
Leibniz and Piccinini versus Jerry Fodor - Is there a language of thought ?
1. Jerry Fodor argues that thoughts have representations,
namely that there is a language of thought:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_thought
In which, as I understand it, computations
are made by the brain
Leibniz and Piccinini versus Jerry Fodor - Is there a language of thought ?
1. Jerry Fodor argues that thoughts have representations,
namely that there is a language of thought:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_thought
In which, as I understand it, computations
are made by the brain
Leibniz and Piccinini versus Jerry Fodor - Is there a language of thought ?
1. Jerry Fodor argues that thoughts have representations,
namely that there is a language of thought:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_thought
In which, as I understand it, computations
aremade
Once again. Why science can never understand consciousness.
Science deals only with public (communicable) knowledge.
Descriptive knowledge by the third person.
Mind and consciousness are personal (private) knowledge.
Personal experience by the first person singular.
This is
In case you didn't get it. Consciousness is not a scientific topic
Science deals only with public (communicable) knowledge.
Descriptive knowledge by the third person.
This is the province of science.
Mind and consciousness are personal (private) knowledge.
Personal experience by the
Is the universe driven by mathematics or is it driven by aesthetics ?
One cannot fail to look upward at the beauty of the night sky
without a feeling of wonder.
Physicists look for ultimate explanations for the behavior
of the universe in mathematics, and indeed one cannot avoid
mathematics in
For those wishing to delve deeper into Leibniz, see A modern monadology
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/jonathan-edwards/monadology
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For those interested in the theory of conscious experience, see
the excellent site,
http://www.ucl.ac.uk/jonathan-edwards
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A definition of human consciousness
Human consciousness is experience by the first person singular.
Materialistic theories of consciousness can only describe experience,
not deal with experience itself. Actual experience is only available in
philosophical
Idealism (Kant, Plato, Leibniz).
Some basic principles of mind - a wakeup call for materialists.
1. There are two forms of knowledge: a) knowledge by acquaintance,
such as you have met Obama, and b) knowledge by description, such
as you have been told that Obama is president of the USA.
2. Knowledge by acquaintance is
From Leibniz: gravity is the universal striving toward a more perfect beauty
James Collins, in chapter III, section 3 of The Continental Rationalists,
[Bruce publishing, 1967] discusses the metaphysics of Leibniz,
in particular Leibniz's belief that the universe is striving toward
a more
Dialogue between two believing scientists on how the universe is run
JOHN-- Funny thought [universal government, which is Plato's universe] coming
from a
staunch Republican conservative govt minimizer.
Perhaps an atheist is just someone who thinks something the size of the whole
universe can
Bertrand Russell's gross misunderstanding of Plato's theory of knowledge and
perception
In http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1EiQEwn1lc
Plato believed that truth is a conceptual form of knowledge, which
is a priori and so not obtained through the senses. Truth obtained
through the senses, Plato
Reality is not matter, it's Heidegger's dasein, which is Leibniz's monad
Materialists spend much effort on trying to show that reality is simply
physics. But the philosophy of Plato, Leibniz, Kant, and now Heidegger
shows that materialism and analytic philosophy is incomplete,
since it omits
Advaita Vedanta and Leibnizian Metaphysics
This is a huge, daunting subject which I can only scratch the surface of. A
book or PhD thesis could easily be written on
it and do a much better job than I can here. Keep in mind also that I am not an
expert on Advaita.
A brief summary of the
Some basic principles of Leibniz's Idealism
1. Everything that exists has two aspects, essence (mind or monad) and existent
(object).
This is a localized version of Berkeley's overall Idealism. Essence, being
mental, is outside of spacetime
while the existent (a corporeal body) is
A conjecture: Quantum physics, Relativity and Leibniz's Idealism
According to Leibniz's Idealism, everything that exists has two aspects,
1, essence (mind or monad or what we here conjecture is a quantum wave),
which is outside of spacetime, and
2. existent (physical particle or
How can a grown man be an atheist ?
An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can
function without some form of government.
How silly.
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An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can
function without some form of government.
How silly.
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Online opinions of Dennett and Chalmers-- the clueless two
Dennett never tells us what conscilousness is, because
conciouness rwequires a perceiver, and he hasn't a clue as to what that is,
because that concept is foreign to his materialism.
He's clueless. And famous as well maybe because with
Berkeley and Leibniz- where the monads came from
In Berkeley's philosophy of idealism, a subject is needed
to perceive objects, otherwise they could not exist.
Leibniz got around the problem of what happens if
nobody's there (a tree falls in a wood...)
by dividing up the world into physical
Why consciousness is not possible in materialism
Two related definitions of consciousness are:
1. Consciousness is experience by the first person singular.
2. Consciousness is self-referential awareness.
So consciousness requires that there be a self,
or first person singular, to be aware.
Russell's abandonment of Leibniz's platonism after his conversion to the cult
of materialism.
Three related definitions of consciousness not possible in materialism or
analytic philosophy:
1. Consciousness is experience by the first person singular.
2. Consciousness is self-referential
Perception and consciousness according to Leibniz-
The secret of perception. Particular minds and how they relate to the overall
or Cosmic Mind
The problem of perception in materialistic thinking is that it forces us to
think that there is a fleshly homunculus
Leibniz has a more
An account of the historical (and continuing) suppression of Leibniz's
forbidden ideas
Leibniz was an anti-materialist so that his inclusion of Mind and
deity into his philosophy were forbidden ideas, and stillo are, to our
detriment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTiztUNrhhM
Dr. Roger B
The death of analytic philosophy and the birth of consciousness
Consciousness, which is experience by the first person singular,
is by definition outside of the scope of analytic philosophy, which
is limited to be able to only deal in descriptions of experience.
Definition of ANALYTIC
-- the basis of materialism and atheism--
which are cults that have have degenerated Western thought -
have passed on or are at an advanced age.
Bertram Russell - Died 1970
Donald Davidson - Died 2003
Hilary Putname -- alive but at age 87 - Roger Clough
Willard V.O. Quine -- died 2000
Richard Rorty
The whole enchilada: Leibniz, the first person, third person, and the brain.
A new mind-brain model for the post-analytic post-materialist world.
[Please feel free to use whatever I have written on the topic of Leibniz
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The whole enchilada: Leibniz, the first person, third person, and the brain.
A new mind-brain model for the post-analytic post-materialist world.
[Please feel free to use whatever I have written on the topic of Leibniz
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are
computer consciousness and artificial intelligence
areimpossible.
So in the event that somebody actually does make AI, please recall this and
consider your philosophical system to have been falsified.
-Gabe
On Monday, November 25, 2013 6:17:15 AM UTC-6, Roger Clough wrote:
Why computer
Why computer consciousness and artificial intelligence are impossible.
Acccording to Bertrand Russell, there are two types of knowledge:
a) Knowledge by description. It is common knowledge that Obama is president.
Example: Computer code. Artificial intelligence. Third person singular.
b)
The difference between computer and human perception
Computer consciousness and perception is by description only, such as 42.
Underwater perfection as given below.
Human perception is an experience such as shown in the photograph.
42. UNDERWATER PERFECTION
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The difference between computer and human perception
Computer consciousness
What I find curious is that so much time and vitriol is spent on the web
attacking theism,
while so much money is spent on ai and computers to simulate humans, when
nobody has ever shown or proven that computers can be conscious.
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Analytic (British) philosophy (Bertrand Russell, Anthony Flew. etc.) has led
humanity and ai astray, because it limits philosophy
to word and logic puzzles. Thus it cannot tell us about
experiential human affairs such as consciousness and true ai.
However, continental philsophy can.
Analytic (British) philosophy (Bertrand Russell, Anthony Flew. etc.) has led
humanity and ai astray, because it limits philosophy to word and logic
puzzles and thus legitimizes atheism and materialism.
Humanity has been sold short because British analytical philosophy
cannot tell us about
Pre-established harmony ? Computers programs exhibit pre-established harmony.
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Corrected version of Leibniz's implied dictum- I think, therefore
there is an I
Although previously I refered to propositional subject:predicate
logic in reference to an implied dictum of Leibniz's ?
? think, therefore there is an I?, that is incorrect. The true
meaning of Descartes'
Corrected version of Leibniz's implied dictum- I think, therefore
there is an I
Although previously I refered to propositional subject:predicate
logic in reference to an implied dictum of Leibniz's –
“I think, therefore I am”, that is incorrect. The true
meaning of Descartes' famous dictum,
Leibniz: I think, therefore there is an I
The true meaning of Descartes' famous dictum, I think, therefore I am
can be clarified further by restating it using Leibniz' model of
being (essence+existent) if the proposition is restated as
I think, therefore there is an I, or equivalently as
I
Spinoza, Leibniz and Descartes are completely different on the relationship
between mind and matter See
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/substance/#DesSpiLei
Spinoza was a monist, who believed that mind and matter were one.
Descartes believed that mind and matter are totally different
Leibniz
The self as lens: Leibniz's lens-like model of perception and reality.
Although I cannot find a direct reference in Leibniz's writings, they
have not all been translated. Nevertheless Leibniz's model
of perception is seemingly based on the high technology of the 17th century,
Huygen's
Hi - Roger Clough
All current theories of mind are objective (materialist) since they do not
include the first person singular.
Consciousness or Mind is nonobjective or subjective, since it is the
perceptions by the first person singular.
Only Leibniz has a philosophy of mind (subjectivity
Why we need to bring Leibniz out of the closet if progress is to be made
Materialism, the philosophy that the universe is made only of matter,
and nothing else, is the basic philosophy of science. So Idealism, the
philosophy that
only ideas, not matter, are real, seems to be a fantasy world.
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Hi Allen Francom
Good for you. Similarly I have been involved in the consciousness market with
Leibniz's platonism. But same as you, no reponses, silence.
Max Planck had the same problem:
Die Wahrheit triumphiert nie, ihre Gegner sterben nur aus.
Truth never triumphs ,
Why materialistic theories of consciousness (the science of consciousness)
are quackery
Bertrand Russell said that there are two forms of knowledge
example: you know who Obamn is, he is the US president.
a) Knowledge by descriptions (objective knowledge)
example: you know who Obamn is,
How the people of Iceland solved their debt crisis:
They said, wait a minute. We didn't cause this problem.
The govt and the bankers caused ity.
So they threw the bankers and other causers of the debt into jail.
Hmmm. Sounds tempting.
- Roger Clough
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-BJgwWx57U
Hi Hans,
Your mind has been self-limited due to your materialism.
Consider this:
Bertrand Russell said (correctly) that there are
two forms of knowledge:
a) knowledge by description (anything in language, impersonal,
third person singular, public knowledge, hearsay)
This is all that
proof is not
enough.
Anna
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Subject: [4DWorldx] Is mass mental or physical ?
I need some help.
Yesterday I made the claim
Dear Dr. Hameroff,
I mean no disrespect, and with my only credential being that of common sense,
I would like to suggest that you consider abandoning materialist solutions to
the
problem of consciousness in your series of seminars on the science of
consciousness,
for these can never work.
I need some help.
Yesterday I made the claim that strings
are massless and so are nonphysical (mental, by my definition).
But you can show theoretically that strings have mass, based on
line tension and other variables. So is mass physical ?
Unless I am mistaken, mass is always defined in
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Does Gravity have mass?
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On Wed, 6/11/13, Roger Clough wrote
Sorry for so many postings, I'll try to refrain, but this is a critical
clarification. Sorry my confusion
A clarification: nonphysical mental strings (massless) and physical strings
(having actual mass)
There are (possibly) physical strings which have mass and strings,as mental
entities
Leibniz's Platonic Physics
Leibniz's idealistic or platonic physics seems to me, a nonphysicist, to
possibly obviate the need for quantum mechanics due
to the preestablished harmony.
I apologize for any errors.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/leibniz-physics/
To partly summarize Leibniz's
String theory in Leibniz's platonic physics
Strings, being massless, are Leibniz's monads (mental)
in his platonic physics (see below). In platonic physics, each monad
is attached to its relevant physical particle, contains information on
all of the other monads (strings) in the universe.
Computers, code and consciousness
Cumputers cannot simulate human activities or experiences
or consciousness because they have to deal in code.
Code is not magic, have no inherent intelligence.
Computers are not magic, they are just machines.
Computers can only deal in code, which is impersonal
Spacetime is (nonphysical, platonic) mind
I am shocked to find that so far I have not
found a scientist anywhere that understands
that spacetime, being just lawful behavior (laws)
is platonic (is mind). Perhaps they consider it to be quantum
gravity.
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Leibniz said that space, being massless, is a nonphysical nonentity.
All that physically exists then consists of physical objects with mass-- these
together with their nonphysical mental massless representations
(as mind or will, consciousness, monads).
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Ryle's category mistake and why spacetime, to a platonist, is contained in
Mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_mistake
This is a very subtle issue.
The term category-mistake was introduced by Gilbert Ryle in his book The
Concept of Mind (1949)
to remove what he argued to be a
What do you do if your Obamacare is too expensive ?
No matter what your age, most people will find Obamacare
way too expensive. But there's no penalty for a pre-existing illness.
So most people are going to dodge the bullet, take the
penalty, and just wait until they get sick.
That changes the
Leibniz : What is beyond the spacetime barrier ? Mind.
Leibniz's Philosophy of Physics
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/leibniz-physics/
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Although he called it inherited primordial language, Chomsky proposed what I
would instead
call platonic language structures in view of the philosophies of Plato, Kant
and Leibniz, this
apparent in view of the rapidity at which language can be learned and
communicated.
Chinese
Leibniz's platonism and the false problem of reductionism
In physics and psychology we have two enigmas if materialism rules,
those of spontaneous mental intentions (so that there is no free will) and also
that of spontaneous (probabililistic) events such as we find in statistical
mechanics
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Forget the welfare politics. Redistributing leftover food instead of income.
All over the world, activists are working directly to help the poor and
hungry by redistributing leftover food to soup kitchens etc.
I would think that the govt
A Platonic, singularity theory of mind.
Current philosophies of mind debate whether mind and body are a dualism
(mind and body) or a monism (mindbody). But these do not address the
nature of mind itself. As the pragmatics of language demonstrate,
Mind (first person singular) must be a
A Platonic, singularity theory of space
Plato envisioned the One, a singularity from which the pluralistic world
emerged(s).
Big Bang theories of Creation point back to such a singularity
from which space emerged, and black hole or white hole theories
also point to singularities possibly
The Leibniz difference: Me doesn't have an I, because me is a materialist.
An I is first person singular, me is third person singular.
I is a subject, me is an object.
I is part of mind, me is part of brain.
Opposite.
Big difference.
It doesn't take a genius to see the difference,
but
Hi -
Me doesn't have an I, because me is a materialist.
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. Are we the chuck of matter, or the reflection
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Hi spudboy100
Sure
Leibniz, Idealism and Parapsychology
Since it is often based on laboratory experiments, parapsychology has a
scientific basis. But these results
are smeared by proponents of the cult of materialism, which cannot accept the
view that there is such a
thing as a mind (a Self). That alone makes
this, and so do governments as well. I am guessing
that this is a feature of the cosmos-or really, just, hoping that it is so.
Mitch
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Leibniz
Leibniz. What's the difference between existence and being ?
According to the metaphysics of Leibniz, the universe has two often correlated
aspects,
existence and being, each usually the flip side of the other.
1. Existence. Physical objects exist in spacetime. This includes the
elementary
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Why Platonism (as in Leibniz) is the only complete philosophy.
Materialism seems to be an incomplete philosophy, because
while it correctly places reason as the basis of all that is, it doesn't
include the reasoner.
We all have our heads in the clouds, sotospeak,
since Eternity or the One
Obama's pet
John Boehner, you're Obamna's pet,
you whimper and your cowell,
You never show your fangs or bite,
you never bark or growl
So when we're stuck with BoennerCare,
we'll take you to a vet
And have you fixed up properly
to safely be his pet.
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Kant's disproof of materialism and empiricism
Materialists argue that in essence we are no more than our bodies.
Empiricists such as Hume ruled out the possible influence of anything
transcendental
in our perception of objects.
But that position was disproven by Kant, for example in his
Kant's disproof of materialism and empiricism
Materialists argue that in essence we are no more than our bodies.
Empiricists such as Hume ruled out the possible influence of anything
transcendental
in our perception of objects.
But that position was disproven by Kant, for example in his
A Leibnizian view on why bottom up programing cannot work for the brain
1. In order for the brain to control or govern
there must be a single governor
2. The single governor must be the single most dominant element in the system
and must control downward, not upward
3. Materialistic
to have improved
tools for better experimentation and observation. The Self may be detectable
or comprehendible through better tools, and one of these tools is assuredly
mathematics.
Mitch
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