George Levy wrote:
I dont' really see any problem if we think of a conscious entity just
like a proposition as information. Proposition p is information which
can be either true or false. A conscious entity is also information.
In this case, if the information is true then the entity
Bruno Marchal wrote:
All right. (I hope you realize that you are very ambitious, but then
that is how we learn).
Yes, learning is my aim here.
My terminological problem here is that experience and knowledge
are usually put in the epistemology instead of ontology. Of course I
know that
George Levy wrote:
A conscious entity is also information.
Really ? Why is that ?
--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Everything List group.
To post to this group, send email to
Bruno Marchal wrote:
All right. (I hope you realize that you are very ambitious, but then
that is how we learn).
Yes, learning is my aim here.
My terminological problem here is that experience and knowledge
are usually put in the epistemology instead of ontology. Of course I
know that
1Z wrote:
George Levy wrote:
A conscious entity is also information.
I am assuming here that a conscious entity is essentially "software."
George
--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~
You received this message because you are subscribed to the
David Nyman wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
All right. (I hope you realize that you are very ambitious, but then
that is how we learn).
Yes, learning is my aim here.
My terminological problem here is that experience and knowledge
are usually put in the epistemology instead of ontology.
George Levy wrote:
1Z wrote:
George Levy wrote:
A conscious entity is also information.
I am assuming here that a conscious entity is essentially software.
You can assume it of you like. It isn't computationalism, which
is the claim that congition is running a programme, not the claim
1Z wrote:
I'll try to nail this here. I take 'ontology' to refer to issues of
existence or being, where 'epistemology' refers to knowledge, or 'what
and how we know'. When I say that our 'ontology' is manifest, I'm
claiming (perhaps a little more cautiously than Descartes): 'I am
Bruno/ George
I thought I might offer the following analogy to help to clarify the
application and relevance of the distinctions I'm trying to make
vis-a-vis the different types of 'first person'. I wouldn't want to
push it too far, but I think it has a certain formal similarity to the
points
Bruno Marchal wrote:
Would it be possible to map your three axiomatic lines
replacing "knowable" by "think" and "true" by "exist." ...
See my conversation with 1Z (Peter D. Jones). I will define "exist" by
" "exist" is true".
Then we have:
1 If p thinks then p exists;
Le 05-août-06, à 02:07, George Levy a écrit :
Bruno Marchal wrote:I think that if you want to
make the first person primitive, given that neither you nor me can
really define it, you will need at least to axiomatize it in some way.
Here is my question. Do you agree that a first person is a
Hi David,
I think I see, albeit vaguely, what you mean by your distinction, but
it seems to me more and more complex and based on many non trivial
notion objective, context, boudaries . It would be interesting if
George and you were able to converge to a sharable notion of first
person. I
eorge Levy
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 8:07
PM
Subject: Re: Are First Person
prime?
Bruno Marchal wrote:
I think that if you want to
make the first person primitive, given that neither you nor me can
really define it, you will need at least to
Hi Bruno
I think you're right about the complexity. It's because at this stage
I'm just trying to discover whether this is a distinction that any of
us think is true or useful, so I'm deliberately (but perhaps not always
helpfully alas) using a variety of terms in the attempt to get my
meaning
Hi David (Nyman),
Let me sum up and conclude (and then we can discuss more details and
technical stuff elsewhere for example on the everything-list).
I think we agree on the importance of the first person points of view.
I think David Deutsch and Everett would agree there.
Now, and this is a
Hi Bruno
I think before commenting on the axioms you present I would want to
place them within something more inclusive along the lines of:
1) FP1 = context = 'subjectivity'
2) TP = content = 'objectivity'
3) FP2 = FP1 + TP
Then:
4) If p is knowable then p is TP in context of FP1
5) If k is
Hi Bruno
I think before commenting on the axioms you present I would want to
place them within something more inclusive along the following lines:
('FP1' and 'FP2' are used in the senses I have previously given, with
'TP' as 'third person' in the sense of any schema whatsoever for
Bruno Marchal wrote:
I think that if you want to
make the first person primitive, given that neither you nor me can
really define it, you will need at least to axiomatize it in some way.
Here is my question. Do you agree that a first person is a knower, and
in that case, are you willing
Hi Bruno
I think before commenting on the axioms you present I would want to
place them within something more inclusive along the following lines:
('FP1' and 'FP2' are used in the senses I have previously given, with
'TP' as 'third person' in the sense of any schema whatsoever for
101 - 119 of 119 matches
Mail list logo
