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As Bruno would
.
2014-12-03 13:13 GMT+01:00 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com:
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 8:45 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
the Bible (for example) says that God made the Heavens and the Earth
(and the rest of the universe gets a throwaway line), so why object
specifically to evolution
:
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As Bruno would say, You are full of bad computations. You can not live
long with such attitude.
I recommend you to buy a Gameboy, a Joystick and play
On Wednesday, December 3, 2014 11:39:25 PM UTC, cdemorsella wrote:
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No interest is this subject Chris. Ask elsewhere for such recreative
activties. John maybe? I don`t know.
Then why did you
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As Bruno would say, You are full of bad computations. You can not live long
with such attitude.
I recommend you to buy a Gameboy, a Joystick and play the kill the Pope
videogame
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Alberto G. Corona agoc...@gmail.com No interest
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On 3 December 2014 at 17:17, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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Liz, I am with you here that evolution and e
On 12/4/2014 8:31 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
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On 12/4/2014 8:31 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote
On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 8:45 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
the Bible (for example) says that God made the Heavens and the Earth
(and the rest of the universe gets a throwaway line), so why object
specifically to evolution rather than, say, theories of planetary formation?
Because the
Why you atheist end all discussion with God here, God there etc?
Ok, it is the child in you that blame his Father for not going back to home
to play with him. After playing with the toys-concepts and breaking them
you discover every now and them that you are alone in the home uh?
Do not mourn
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:
Why you atheist end all discussion with God here, God there etc?
The world is infested with religious nincompoops who have far more power to
shape our culture than I do, so I will stop talking about the imbecilic God
theory when
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Why you atheist end all discussion with God here, God there etc?
Ok
: Myth of A.I.
Why you atheist end all discussion with God here, God there etc?
Ok, it is the child in you that blame his Father for not going back to
home to play with him. After playing with the toys-concepts and breaking
them you discover every now and them that you are alone
On 3 December 2014 at 17:17, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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Liz, I am with you here that evolution and e=mc2 make for highly visible,
honey pots tempting all manner of oddball, legend-in-their-minds geniuses
(or the pious pompous religious
On 3 December 2014 at 17:45, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Not only that I notice that all the characters in you post have previously
been posted by me. STOP THIS PLAGARISM!
That gave me a much needed laugh, thanks Brent!
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On 3 December 2014 at 19:25, zibb...@gmail.com wrote:
It goes without saying you seek to make a statement about me somewhere
there.
I'll try to catch my flaws a little more frequently. But something I
definitely do is apologize when I see I've mistreated someone. I mean here.
I wonder if
On Wednesday, December 3, 2014 9:51:18 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 3 December 2014 at 19:25, zib...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
It goes without saying you seek to make a statement about me somewhere
there.
I'll try to catch my flaws a little more frequently. But something I
definitely
As Bruno would say, You are full of bad computations. You can not live long
with such attitude.
I recommend you to buy a Gameboy, a Joystick and play the kill the Pope
videogame. After killing a few thounsands catholics, give praise to
Muslims, and leaving beeing assholed by a bunch of atheist
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As Bruno would say, You are full of bad computations. You can not live long
with such attitude.
I recommend
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As Bruno would say, You are full of bad computations. You can not live
long with such attitude.
I recommend you to buy a Gameboy, a Joystick and play the kill
before.
Chris
2014-12-04 0:14 GMT+01:00 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
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, December 3, 2014 2:59 PM
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As Bruno would say, You are full of bad computations. You can not live
long with such attitude.
I recommend you to buy a Gameboy, a Joystick and play the kill the Pope
videogame. After killing a few thounsands catholics, give praise
On Wednesday, December 3, 2014 10:14:14 PM UTC, zib...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, December 3, 2014 9:51:18 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 3 December 2014 at 19:25, zib...@gmail.com wrote:
It goes without saying you seek to make a statement about me somewhere
there.
I'll try to catch
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As Bruno would say, You are full of bad computations. You can not live long
On Monday, December 1, 2014 5:41:19 AM UTC, John Clark wrote:
Zibbsey wrote:
I should think we'll need an origin-of-life answer to scientific
standards before we can start finalizing on the assumptions underpinning
all that.
Darwin was in my opinion the greatest scientist who ever
On 3 December 2014 at 16:00, zibb...@gmail.com wrote:
But then you say The multiverse did it
In the library, the kitchen, the study and the drawing room ... with the
gun, the rope, the lead piping and the poison
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On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:45:57 AM UTC, Liz R wrote:
For some reason a lot of religious people attempt to argue that Darwin was
wrong, just as a lot of people seem to have always wanted to show that
Einstein was wrong. There appears to be something about these targets that
attracts a
On 3 December 2014 at 16:29, zibb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:45:57 AM UTC, Liz R wrote:
For some reason a lot of religious people attempt to argue that Darwin was
wrong, just as a lot of people seem to have always wanted to show that
Einstein was wrong. There appears to
On Wednesday, December 3, 2014 3:38:47 AM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 3 December 2014 at 16:29, zib...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:45:57 AM UTC, Liz R wrote:
For some reason a lot of religious people attempt to argue that Darwin
was wrong, just as a lot of people
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On 3 December 2014 at 16:29, zibb...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, December 1
On 12/2/2014 7:38 PM, LizR wrote:
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wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:45:57 AM UTC, Liz R wrote:
For some reason a lot of religious people attempt to argue that Darwin
was
wrong, just as a lot of people
On Wednesday, December 3, 2014 4:45:10 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
On 12/2/2014 7:38 PM, LizR wrote:
On 3 December 2014 at 16:29, zib...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:45:57 AM UTC, Liz R wrote:
For some reason a lot of religious people attempt to argue that
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On 3 December 2014 at 16:29, zib...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
On Monday, December 1, 2014 1:45:57 AM UTC, Liz R wrote:
For some reason a lot of religious people attempt to argue that Darwin was
wrong, just as a lot of people seem to have always wanted to show
On 29 Nov 2014, at 11:51, Richard Ruquist wrote:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
Richard,
On 28 Nov 2014, at 19:19, Richard Ruquist wrote:
It occurred to me that if consciousness is entirely classical- no
quantum effects- then perhaps
On Saturday, November 29, 2014 7:03:53 AM UTC, Kim Jones wrote:
On 29 Nov 2014, at 10:08 am, Richard Ruquist yan...@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:
It may just be herding instinct or projection on my part,
but it seems that my chickens are more intelligent
as a group than
On Saturday, November 29, 2014 5:57:38 AM UTC, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:01 PM, zib...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
I was talking about your root idea that Evolution cannot detect
consciousness
It can't and neither can we.
(because we can't, I think you said)
On Saturday, November 29, 2014 7:38:54 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:03 AM, spudboy100 wrote:
The word purposeless is purposeless unless there is a referent.
Purposeless for who? Maybe the universe finds me to be purposeless but I
don't care any more than the
For some reason a lot of religious people attempt to argue that Darwin was
wrong, just as a lot of people seem to have always wanted to show that
Einstein was wrong. There appears to be something about these targets that
attracts a certain type of person, even though there might be better
pickings
Zibbsey wrote:
I should think we'll need an origin-of-life answer to scientific standards
before we can start finalizing on the assumptions underpinning all that.
Darwin was in my opinion the greatest scientist who ever lived because he
provided a elegant answer to the question of how we got
Richard,
On 28 Nov 2014, at 19:19, Richard Ruquist wrote:
It occurred to me that if consciousness is entirely classical- no
quantum effects- then perhaps consciousness on occurs in one world.
Or in general if most natural processes are classical, then we are
mostly in one world, maybe
On 28 Nov 2014, at 19:50, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
And having no facts that must be fitted to theory is why the
profession of consciousness theoretician is so incredibly easy and
why they are so common on the internet.
On 28 Nov 2014, at 23:19, LizR wrote:
On 29 November 2014 at 06:04, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 27 Nov 2014, at 22:35, LizR wrote:
On 26 November 2014 at 22:52, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
wrote:
You need consciousness to develop intelligence, and you need
intelligence
On 29 Nov 2014, at 6:27 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
If nature came up with feeling first and high level intelligence only much
much later, I don't see why the opposite would be true for our computers.
So this is the the meat in your sandwich. It is so revealing. It requires
On 29 Nov 2014, at 00:08, Richard Ruquist wrote:
It may just be herding instinct or projection on my part,
but it seems that my chickens are more intelligent
as a group than individually.
I attribute that to a group mind due to entanglement
in a mind/matter duality.
I would be astonished
On 29 Nov 2014, at 01:19, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/28/2014 8:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Nov 2014, at 18:49, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/27/2014 12:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2014, at 23:34, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/26/2014 9:53 AM, John Clark wrote:
No that is not fine. I DEFINE
On 29 Nov 2014, at 01:29, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/28/2014 9:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Nov 2014, at 04:27, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:30 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
More likely we will make an AI that is intelligent, is not
conscious like a human
On 29 Nov 2014, at 01:39, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/28/2014 12:53 PM, LizR wrote:
On 29 November 2014 at 04:42, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Kim Jones:
Yes but tell me of the examples you have found of Evolution
producing intelligence without consciousness.
iPhones. Smart
On 29 Nov 2014, at 04:31, Kim Jones wrote:
On 29 Nov 2014, at 1:37 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Brent
I seem to remember saying that I thought perhaps consciousness is
something like awareness of yourself and your environment and
asking if you had a better definition a
On 29 Nov 2014, at 06:20, meekerdb wrote:
I don't think there's a single definition of consciousness because I
think there are different kinds, as I indicated below.
There is two kinds, mainly. Consciousness/awareness, and self-
consciousness. It is the difference between Universality and
On 29 Nov 2014, at 09:44, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 29 Nov 2014, at 01:39, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/28/2014 12:53 PM, LizR wrote:
On 29 November 2014 at 04:42, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
wrote:
Kim Jones:
Yes but tell me of the examples you have found of Evolution
producing
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Richard,
On 28 Nov 2014, at 19:19, Richard Ruquist wrote:
It occurred to me that if consciousness is entirely classical- no quantum
effects- then perhaps consciousness on occurs in one world. Or in general
if most
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:30 AM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
If nature came up with feeling first and high level intelligence only
much much later, I don't see why the opposite would be true for our
computers.
So this is the the meat in your sandwich. It is so revealing. It
it to be purposeless; we both just
ignore the others opinion of and continue to go about our business.
John K Clark
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To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 29, 2014 10:40 am
Subject: Re: Edge: Myth of A.I
Richard:
I enjoyed your chickenfoot reply, YET cannot subscribe for it's expansion
to humans:
GROUPS od humans seem to be more stupid than any level immaginable.;
Well, that much for our kind.
Respectfully
John Mikes
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
It
On 11/28/2014 11:03 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
There is the whole emergent thing of the group behaving as you say, more
intelligently (or competently, exhibiting adaptive behaviour both within and
without) which accounts for the enormous value of being a good and compliant
clan member rather than
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:03 AM, spudboy100 wrote:
The word purposeless is purposeless unless there is a referent.
Purposeless for who? Maybe the universe finds me to be purposeless but I
don't care any more than the universe would care if I found it to be
purposeless; we both just ignore
than me but the
universe is as dumb as a sack full of rocks and at least I'm smarter than that.
John K Clark
-Original Message-
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To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 29, 2014 2:38 pm
Subject: Re: Edge: Myth of A.I
On 11/29/2014 12:30 AM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 29 Nov 2014, at 6:27 pm, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
If nature came up with feeling first and high level intelligence only much much
later, I don't see why the opposite would be true for our computers.
So this is the the meat in your
On Friday, November 28, 2014 3:27:30 AM UTC, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:30 PM, meekerdb meek...@verizon.net
javascript: wrote:
More likely we will make an AI that is intelligent, is not conscious
like a human with an inner narrative but is conscious in some other way
Kim Jones:
Yes but tell me of the examples you have found of Evolution producing
intelligence without consciousness.
iPhones. Smart fridges. Self-driving cars. Computers. Space probes etc.
etc.
If you believe all these things are smart then fine, but what makes you
think they're not
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 4:43 AM, zibb...@gmail.com wrote:
Let's say there are two individuals, one seems to be normal in that there
is no history of injuries to the head. While the other individual fell off
a tricycle and ended up hospitalized with a head injury. Now let's jump
into the shoes
On 27 Nov 2014, at 18:49, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/27/2014 12:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2014, at 23:34, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/26/2014 9:53 AM, John Clark wrote:
No that is not fine. I DEFINE intelligence just as everybody else
does, the ability to find novel solutions to new
On 27 Nov 2014, at 22:35, LizR wrote:
On 26 November 2014 at 22:52, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
You need consciousness to develop intelligence, and you need
intelligence to develop competence.
IN my humble opinion you don't need consciousness to develop
intelligence.
Keep in
On Friday, November 28, 2014 4:37:40 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 4:43 AM, zib...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
Let's say there are two individuals, one seems to be normal in that
there is no history of injuries to the head. While the other individual
fell off a
On 28 Nov 2014, at 04:27, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:30 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
More likely we will make an AI that is intelligent, is not
conscious like a human with an inner narrative but is conscious in
some other way which will be very difficult
Bruno,
It occurred to me that if consciousness is entirely classical- no quantum
effects- then perhaps consciousness on occurs in one world. Or in general
if most natural processes are classical, then we are mostly in one world,
maybe with a little fuzziness.
Richard
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 12:26 PM, zibb...@gmail.com wrote:
You've not answered the logic so far
Give me some logic and I'll give you a answer. I thought you were asking
how Evolution produced consciousness but apparently that's not the question
you wanted answered. Maybe I missed it but as
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
And having no facts that must be fitted to theory is why the profession
of consciousness theoretician is so incredibly easy and why they are so
common on the internet. However it's hard as hell to find a good
On 29 November 2014 at 04:42, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
Kim Jones:
Yes but tell me of the examples you have found of Evolution producing
intelligence without consciousness.
iPhones. Smart fridges. Self-driving cars. Computers. Space probes etc.
etc.
If you believe all
On 29 Nov 2014, at 2:42 am, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
Kim Jones:
Yes but tell me of the examples you have found of Evolution producing
intelligence without consciousness.
iPhones. Smart fridges. Self-driving cars. Computers. Space probes etc.
etc.
If you
On 29 November 2014 at 06:04, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 27 Nov 2014, at 22:35, LizR wrote:
On 26 November 2014 at 22:52, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
You need consciousness to develop intelligence, and you need intelligence
to develop competence.
IN my humble
On Friday, November 28, 2014 6:34:16 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 12:26 PM, zib...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
You've not answered the logic so far
Give me some logic and I'll give you a answer. I thought you were asking
how Evolution produced consciousness
It may just be herding instinct or projection on my part,
but it seems that my chickens are more intelligent
as a group than individually.
I attribute that to a group mind due to entanglement
in a mind/matter duality.
Richard
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au
On 11/28/2014 8:40 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 27 Nov 2014, at 18:49, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/27/2014 12:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2014, at 23:34, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/26/2014 9:53 AM, John Clark wrote:
No that is not fine. I DEFINE intelligence just as everybody else does, the
On 11/28/2014 9:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 28 Nov 2014, at 04:27, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:30 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net
mailto:meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
More likely we will make an AI that is intelligent, is not conscious like
a human
with an
On 11/28/2014 12:53 PM, LizR wrote:
On 29 November 2014 at 04:42, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote:
Kim Jones:
Yes but tell me of the examples you have found of Evolution
producing
intelligence without consciousness.
Hi Brent
I seem to remember saying that I thought perhaps consciousness is something
like awareness of yourself and your environment and asking if you had a
better definition a couple of days ago. Did you reply? I don't recall
seeing anything.
If not - any ideas?
On 29 November 2014 at 13:39,
On 29 Nov 2014, at 1:37 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Brent
I seem to remember saying that I thought perhaps consciousness is something
like awareness of yourself and your environment and asking if you had a
better definition a couple of days ago. Did you reply? I don't
I don't think there's a single definition of consciousness because I think there are
different kinds, as I indicated below.
Brent
On 11/28/2014 6:37 PM, LizR wrote:
Hi Brent
I seem to remember saying that I thought perhaps consciousness is something like
awareness of yourself and your
On 11/28/2014 7:31 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 29 Nov 2014, at 1:37 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Brent
I seem to remember saying that I thought perhaps consciousness is something like
awareness of yourself and your environment and asking if you had a better
definition a couple of
On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 6:01 PM, zibb...@gmail.com wrote:
I was talking about your root idea that Evolution cannot detect
consciousness
It can't and neither can we.
(because we can't, I think you said)
The reason isn't because of us, it's just that neither we nor Evolution nor
anything
On 29 Nov 2014, at 10:08 am, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
It may just be herding instinct or projection on my part,
but it seems that my chickens are more intelligent
as a group than individually.
I attribute that to a group mind due to entanglement
in a mind/matter
Kim Jones
Evolution is supposed to be the only game in town
I don't know who you're quoting but it's not me, and it's not true, at
least not anymore.
PZ Meyers, Larry Krauss, Dicky Dawkins et al at their
atheist/physicalist talkfests
I’ve never heard of Meyers but I've read lots of
On 26 Nov 2014, at 20:23, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 , Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I agree that consciousness is not intelligence.
I agree also.
OK.
An entity can be competent, without intelligence [...] An entity
can be intelligent, without competence
I
On 26 Nov 2014, at 23:34, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/26/2014 9:53 AM, John Clark wrote:
No that is not fine. I DEFINE intelligence just as everybody else
does, the ability to find novel solutions to new problems, the
greater the variety of problems the greater the intelligence. I
DEDUCE that
On 26 Nov 2014, at 23:56, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/26/2014 11:23 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 , Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I agree that consciousness is not intelligence.
I agree also.
An entity can be competent, without intelligence [...] An entity
can be
On 27 Nov 2014, at 01:59, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I insist also to distinguish intelligence from competence.
My understanding is that intelligence refers to learning ability
and behavior adaptability to novel circumstances.
On 27 Nov 2014, at 03:39, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/26/2014 4:41 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I don't think human consciousness is a spandrel
If consciousness does not effect intelligent behavior and if
Darwin's Theory is correct then there
On 27 Nov 2014, at 05:33, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/26/2014 4:59 PM, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
I insist also to distinguish intelligence from competence.
My understanding is that intelligence refers to learning ability
and behavior
On Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:09:34 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2014, at 20:23, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 , Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be javascript:
wrote:
I agree that consciousness is not intelligence.
I agree also.
OK.
An entity can be
On 11/27/2014 12:19 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2014, at 23:34, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/26/2014 9:53 AM, John Clark wrote:
No that is not fine. I DEFINE intelligence just as everybody else does, the ability to
find novel solutions to new problems, the greater the variety of problems the
On 11/27/2014 12:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 26 Nov 2014, at 23:56, meekerdb wrote:
On 11/26/2014 11:23 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 , Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
I agree that consciousness is not intelligence.
I agree also.
On 27 Nov 2014, at 7:28 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Sometimes intelligence itself can be an handicap for getting the competence.
A stupid student can study the course better than a clever student, because
the clever student want to understand the details, and get stuck on
On 27 Nov 2014, at 7:28 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Sometimes intelligence itself can be an handicap for getting the competence.
A stupid student can study the course better than a clever student, because
the clever student want to understand the details, and get stuck on
On 28 Nov 2014, at 6:59 am, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote:
On 27 Nov 2014, at 7:28 pm, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
Sometimes intelligence itself can be an handicap for getting the competence.
A stupid student can study the course better than a clever student,
On Thursday, November 27, 2014 8:15:59 PM UTC, Kim Jones wrote:
On 28 Nov 2014, at 6:59 am, Kim Jones kimj...@ozemail.com.au
javascript: wrote:
On 27 Nov 2014, at 7:28 pm, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.be
javascript: wrote:
Sometimes intelligence itself can be an
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