On 20 March 2014 14:28, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
Again, consider this to all be revised again in our lifetimes.
I know. Wonderful, isn't it?!
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I appreciate the comments in the thread such as those on entropy vs
universe dynamics which reveal the fact that I may be somewhat old school
re physics.
In the blog discussion I pointed to in my earlier post I do cover many
points.
For example at definition #3, I
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On 19 March 2014 15:55, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
So an expanding universe should give rise to increasing maximum
entropy, but the total energy remains constant (at zero). As for what
happens to the free energy (stuff available for work), its a bit more
complicated, but it
Hi, Hal, thanks for your kind and fast reply. Not that I want to overwhelm
science, or even the knowledgeability of THIS list, but I diverted from the
base of your position ~2 decades ago and became an agnostic.
If 'life' increases the disorder then I agree: in my narrative (a model to
'speak
Liz, et al,
The problem with your and other's comments is that, as I've explained
before, entropy is NOT fundamental as many seem to think..
The current entropy state depends entirely on the current mix of the four
fundamental forces, in particular on whether gravitation is more attractive
or
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:35:11 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 19 March 2014 15:55, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.aujavascript:
wrote:
So an expanding universe should give rise to increasing maximum
entropy, but the total energy remains constant (at zero). As for what
happens to the
On 20 March 2014 12:21, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:35:11 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 19 March 2014 15:55, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
So an expanding universe should give rise to increasing maximum
entropy, but the total energy remains constant
On 20 March 2014 12:19, Edgar L. Owen edgaro...@att.net wrote:
Liz, et al,
The problem with your and other's comments is that, as I've explained
before, entropy is NOT fundamental as many seem to think..
I have also already explained this quite a few times, especially in answer
to people
On Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:19:13 PM UTC, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Liz, et al,
The problem with your and other's comments is that, as I've explained
before, entropy is NOT fundamental as many seem to think..
The current entropy state depends entirely on the current mix of the four
On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:44:17PM +1300, LizR wrote:
Yes, I think that's what Carl Sagan said about the possibility of life
existing indefinitely, too. The entropy ceiling goes up indefinitely, but
the energy remaining goes down, and ultimately I would imagine it ends up
at the noise level.
I'm not sure I follow much of what you are saying here. Maybe I need to go
away and sleep on it.
Then again, it's hard to answer comments on your memory of another thread...
One thing about 1984 is that the Party are, I think interestingly,
powerless. They never let *anyone* who commits
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On 18 March 2014 05:01, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Well, to get on track, we would
Dear Hal Ruhl,
it has been for long since we had our last exchangeI clicked the URL
and found mostly agreeable general ideas (with my peculiar thoughts in
frequent questioning).
*May I ask WHAT kind of LIFE are you talking about?*
I believe our Terresstrial 'bio' is only a segment. Then
Speaking of 1984
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Hi John:
It is a distinct pleasure to hear from you.
To answer your question I think the narrowest characterization of the type
of life I talk about is that it is one of the possible processes within a
universe that if implemented increase the entropy of that universe.
Further all such
On 3/18/2014 4:52 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote:
Hi John:
It is a distinct pleasure to hear from you.
To answer your question I think the narrowest characterization of the type of life I
talk about is that it is one of the possible processes within a universe that if
implemented increase the entropy of
On 19 March 2014 12:52, Hal Ruhl halr...@alum.syracuse.edu wrote:
To answer your question I think the narrowest characterization of the type
of life I talk about is that it is one of the possible processes within a
universe that if implemented increase the entropy of that universe.
Further
On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 02:40:16PM +1300, LizR wrote:
On 19 March 2014 14:27, Hal Ruhl halr...@alum.syracuse.edu wrote:
Hi Liz:
Hi Hal
The physics that I learned holds that the energy in a universe is
constant. Therefore entropy in such a universe can not exceed 100% of this
probability of collapse of industrial
civilization
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Liz,
How is going to another planet and screwing that one up too going
An excellent piece of postmarxist (marxism rephrased as sociological
science) by the church of progressivism.
Unless the budget of the NASA and specially these experts is increased
and a change in global politics and another international bureau of world
engineers is created overcoming
My only doubt is how long it will take to convert this discussion list,
once devoted to science and (some) philosophy, into a pure mambo-jambo
babble of left liberals new agers and ecoloalarmists among others
2014-03-17 16:48 GMT+01:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com:
An excellent piece
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An excellent piece of postmarxist (marxism rephrased as sociological science
with a decent idea,
or promote one we have heard of.
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My only doubt is how long it will take to convert this discussion list, once
devoted to science and (some) philosophy, into a pure mambo-jambo babble of
left liberals new
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An excellent piece
Hi everyone
Below is a URL from one of my posts on the subject of life being inherently
self destructive which I believe it to be. It provides my curent argument
on the subject.
I think such discussion is relevant to the main history of this group's
threads because if life is indeed
On 18 March 2014 05:01, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Well, to get on track, we would need to assert trade offs, fixes, and
solutions, rather than promote mere complaint. This goes for myself, but
few seem to feel this way. If we want a clean green Earth, then problem
solving is essential. In
On Monday, March 17, 2014 11:37:36 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 18 March 2014 05:01, spudb...@aol.com javascript: wrote:
Well, to get on track, we would need to assert trade offs, fixes, and
solutions, rather than promote mere complaint. This goes for myself, but
few seem to feel this way. If
On Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:43:58 AM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, March 17, 2014 11:37:36 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 18 March 2014 05:01, spudb...@aol.com wrote:
Well, to get on track, we would need to assert trade offs, fixes, and
solutions, rather than promote mere complaint.
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If we could just get away from one planet ... but the difficulty is, well,
astronomical. Before now we could always leave the place where disaster
struck, move from the valley where the
Liz,
How is going to another planet and screwing that one up too going to help.
The problem is not astronomical, it's human nature. The very success of
humans as a species depended on the ruthless exploitation of nature and
repression of competition. But those exact same aspects of human
All, this seems like a very reasonable scenario and is in line with my
thinking.. Edgar
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14/nasa-civilisation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists
NASA-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible
collapse'?
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All, this seems like a very reasonable scenario and is in line with my
thinking.. Edgar
Without wishing for it – nobody (except, the Doomerist lunatic fringe perhaps,
I can find nothing to argue with here, I too have been saying this for a
while now. Ronald Wright is the go-to man for the exact details imho.
On 16 March 2014 06:33, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote:
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Oh, and once this happens, that will be it for humanity, of course, because
we can't restart civilisation with no easily accessible fuel sources. So
we'll stay in the middle ages until a passing comet gets us (or similar).
This does of course explain why SETI hasn't found anything. Hell of a way
On Saturday, March 15, 2014 11:02:31 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
Oh, and once this happens, that will be it for humanity, of course,
because we can't restart civilisation with no easily accessible fuel
sources. So we'll stay in the middle ages until a passing comet gets us (or
similar).
This
If we could just get away from one planet ... but the difficulty is, well,
astronomical. Before now we could always leave the place where disaster
struck, move from the valley where the soil was full of salt or whatever,
start again with a fresh load of resources. I can't see us doing that this
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