: Tue, Nov 5, 2013 1:21 am
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On 5 November 2013 17:11, lt;spudboy...@aol.comgt; wrote:
I would put marxism and fascism close together and not polar opposites.
Because Marxists claim that they are for the proles does not really
mean that they are. It just means
On 6 November 2013 13:59, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Try to remember, that in Russia, and China, as well as the USA, are all
partly, ruled by billionaires. People with great fortunes. Also, we humans
are like any other primate, because when some of these billionaires do
things we like, like
On 6 November 2013 14:06, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
No no. But as long as you don't conflate the ideal, versus the real, and
like the marxists did, justify ever failure of their system, to it will be
perfect in the future, comrades..
You're calling them Marxists because they paid lip service
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So just corporatism, then?
Although there is a lot of superorganism worship and desire for
national glory in the US, and a strong desire to conquer inferior and
backward nations - often
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On 11/4/2013 8:15 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Briefly, tea baggers want a more limited govt cost wise.
Why? What do you want
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On 6 November 2013 14:06, lt;spudboy...@aol.comgt; wrote:
No no. But as long as you don't conflate the ideal, versus the real,
and like the marxists did, justify ever failure of their system, to it
will be perfect in the future, comrades..
You're
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On 6 November 2013 13:59, lt;spudboy...@aol.comgt; wrote:
Try to remember, that in Russia, and China, as well
. But sometimes they do!
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On 6 November 2013 13:59, lt;spudboy...@aol.comgt; wrote:
Try to remember, that in Russia
for the Solyndras who soak up taxes and produce nothing!
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On 6 November 2013 14:38, lt;spudboy...@aol.comgt; wrote:
We
On 6 November 2013 14:44, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Marxists like BHO want people taken care of. They also want people
dependent on government servicesnso they, the pols, can have control over
the dumb serfs. And again, all the fashionable Marxists have a bunch of
crony capitalist friends to
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On 6 November 2013 14:38, lt;spudboy...@aol.comgt; wrote:
We could offer a 20 or 100 billion dollar prize for a new clean energy
source and award
. The market influence thing seems right,
hence the triumph of crony capitalism in american politics.
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On 11/5/2013 5:21 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Just a few points:
The advantage of individualism, is it reduces lemming marches, when everyone is running
in the wrong direction.
The disadvantage is that if the organized elite convince everyone else that they should
only act as
According to the Wired article, deep net is the tor system
invented or developed by the govt to be impenetrable
hence NSA's comment that Tor sucks.
You can read the Wired article here:
http://www.wired.com/magazine/
but the last issue is not on the net yet.
Richard
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:52
Not even on the deep net?
On 6 November 2013 16:15, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
According to the Wired article, deep net is the tor system
invented or developed by the govt to be impenetrable
hence NSA's comment that Tor sucks.
You can read the Wired article here:
I stay away from the dark side of the internet
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:17 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Not even on the deep net?
On 6 November 2013 16:15, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
According to the Wired article, deep net is the tor system
invented or developed by
Me too. Look what happened to Darth Vader...
On 6 November 2013 16:29, Richard Ruquist yann...@gmail.com wrote:
I stay away from the dark side of the internet
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I practice the primary mantras of all the principal religions
having been kicked out, more or less, from all of them.
But I do not practice Jediism and their mantra:
'let the force be with you'.
On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:30 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote:
Me too. Look what happened to Darth
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One needs to distinguish Fascism and Nazism. Fascism bound
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One needs to distinguish Fascism and Nazism. Fascism bound the
nation-state
into a super-organism. Nazism added a mystic racism about blood (volk) and
soil, Christianity and anti-semitism. There were fascist
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On 6 November 2013 16:41, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote:
And also
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One needs to distinguish Fascism and Nazism. Fascism bound the nation-state
into a super-organism. Nazism added a mystic racism about blood (volk) and
soil, Christianity and anti-semitism. There were fascist
On 11/5/2013 8:03 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
In the near future who knows... you may breath in some nano dust and within minutes
begin feeling a powerful compelling love for the dear leader (or bankster) that fills
you with an overriding motivation to struggle harder to do your small part
have to get bank or private equity funding to accomplish this. We
can do the same for medicine and outer space too.
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Yeah, let's all pour hate on government and go to Somalia where
to bear against it should it come down to that.
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On 11/5/2013 8:03 PM, Chris
On 11/5/2013 9:44 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Brent -- Community compromise are noble ideals, but in practice the exercise of power
realpolitick -- as it has in fact been practiced through history -- has far more to do
with facilitating and providing legal cover for predation and securing
On 11/5/2013 9:52 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
Hehe... the armed populace will fare well against the array of AC-130 gunship, Apache
helicopters, hunter-killer drones, armored vehicles and the vast array of military
hardware and urban counter insurgency tactics that have been perfected in
On 6 November 2013 17:10, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/5/2013 8:03 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
In the near future who knows… you may breath in some nano dust and within
minutes begin feeling a powerful compelling love for the dear leader (or
bankster) that fills you with an
On 11/5/2013 11:11 PM, LizR wrote:
On 6 November 2013 17:10, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net mailto:meeke...@verizon.net
wrote:
On 11/5/2013 8:03 PM, Chris de Morsella wrote:
In the near future who knows… you may breath in some nano dust and within
minutes
begin feeling a powerful
On 6 November 2013 20:25, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
Yeah, I know. But it's a silly vision. Why would you want all these
drugged out brutes around. Why wouldn't you just use of biological
engineering to create animals to do labor and act as companions...Oh,
right, because it's
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:36 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/3/2013 3:17 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/3/2013 10:49 AM, John Clark wrote:
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is considered by many to be a
Well reasoned opportunism taken literally still remains what it is. I don't
reason against it and nature has good reason for these tendencies locally.
My main problem is that I just can't picture myself around a bunch of Rand
fans licking their fingers greed is good, keep deregulating all things
Here is a discussion of how greed is in the process of destroying our fiat
currency banking system:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-entire-fiat-money-system-is-bankrupt-demise-of-the-global-us-fiat-dollar-reserve-currency/5356491
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:03 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote:
Well reasoned opportunism taken literally still remains what it is. I don't
reason against it and nature has good reason for these tendencies locally.
Yes, but one has to be careful about global narratives.
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 3:18 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote:
Furthermore, her point is that competition in a free market actually
helps everybody -- by providing better goods and services at lower
prices -- while redistribution of money based on violence does not,
and is in
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote:
Well reasoned opportunism taken literally still remains what it is. I
don't
reason against it and nature has good reason for
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote:
LOL -- totally -- who exactly is this undefined many that considers
Scalia to be an intellectual?
According to Wikipedia Scalia has been described as the intellectual
anchor of the Court's conservative wing, and it makes sense
On 04 Nov 2013, at 16:20, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Telmo Menezes
te...@telmomenezes.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote:
Well reasoned opportunism taken literally still remains what it
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote:
On 04 Nov 2013, at 16:20, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
multiplecit...@gmail.com
On 11/4/2013 4:10 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote:
Well reasoned opportunism taken literally still remains what it is. I don't
reason against it and nature has good reason for these tendencies locally.
Yes, but
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com
wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy
multiplecit...@gmail.com wrote:
Well reasoned opportunism taken
of the demons that haunt this planet is the wrong belief, that Marxism, and
Statism get a lot of people killed, often on purpose.
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I'm not sure I can parse your last sentence. To start with you seem to
indicate that Marxism (the economic theory / desire for rule by the
proletariat) - interestingly in lumped with Fascism (rule by a powerful
state) - might get people killed. But in the last sentence you say this is
a wrong
On 11/4/2013 4:31 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
As Telmo indicated , Rand, railed against unlimited state power, which is what Marxism
and Fascism are all about. Her individualism, stuff is central to her philosophy, but
breaks down to the argument that being forced to donate is no donation at
On 11/4/2013 4:44 PM, LizR wrote:
I'm not sure I can parse your last sentence. To start with you seem to indicate that
Marxism (the economic theory / desire for rule by the proletariat) - interestingly in
lumped with Fascism (rule by a powerful state) - might get people killed. But in the
last
Ah, good point. I have even seen The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui. I
should have remembered.
So basically America (and various other Western democracies) currently have
fascist governments - the twist being that this time around, hardly anyone
realises the fact!
On 5 November 2013 14:10,
On 11/4/2013 5:22 PM, LizR wrote:
Ah, good point. I have even seen The Resistible Rise of Arturo Ui. I should have
remembered.
So basically America (and various other Western democracies) currently have fascist
governments - the twist being that this time around, hardly anyone realises the
So just corporatism, then?
Although there is a lot of superorganism worship and desire for national
glory in the US, and a strong desire to conquer inferior and backward
nations - often by commercial rather than military means. Plus paying lip
service to individualism doesn't seem to contradict
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I'm not sure I can parse your last sentence. To start with you seem to
indicate that Marxism (the economic theory / desire for rule
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As Telmo indicated , Rand, railed against unlimited state
power, which is what Marxism and Fascism
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On 11/4/2013 4:31 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
As Telmo indicated , Rand, railed against unlimited state power,
which is what Marxism and Fascism are all about. Her
On 5 November 2013 17:11, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
I would put marxism and fascism close together and not polar opposites.
Because Marxists claim that they are for the proles does not really mean
that they are. It just means that they try to BS people with this claim. In
fact, there are no,
I have a stone that turns base metal into gold I'd like to sell him.
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On 11/3/2013 10:49 AM, John Clark wrote:
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is considered by many to be a intellectual, in fact
the leading intellectual on the Supreme Court,
Of course that many consists of bible thumping Tea Baggers, worshipers of Ayn Rand, and
snake handlers who have
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/3/2013 10:49 AM, John Clark wrote:
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is considered by many to be a
intellectual, in fact the leading intellectual on the Supreme Court,
Of course that many consists of bible
On 11/3/2013 3:17 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 11:51 PM, meekerdbmeeke...@verizon.net wrote:
On 11/3/2013 10:49 AM, John Clark wrote:
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is considered by many to be a
intellectual, in fact the leading intellectual on the Supreme Court,
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On 11/3/2013 10:49 AM, John Clark wrote:
Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is considered by many
My idea (as I voiced it several times) the 'oldies' of the Supremes should
be retired after - say - 20 years of being separated from the real world in
the* Ivory Tower of the Hi Court.* Nobody can maintain an active
understanding of the problems *OF OTHERS* after such period of just
looking D O
Brent...
Agree 100%, Rand sounds like a ghastly unempathic admirer of fascism and
probably the Maquis de Sade.
(By the way I think that quote from Newton was originally intended
ironically :)
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On 11/3/2013 6:37 PM, John Mikes wrote:
My idea (as I voiced it several times) the 'oldies' of the Supremes should be retired
after - say - 20 years of being separated from the real world in the*Ivory Tower of the
Hi Court.* Nobody can maintain an active understanding of the problems */OF
On 11/3/2013 7:04 PM, LizR wrote:
Brent...
Agree 100%, Rand sounds like a ghastly unempathic admirer of fascism and probably the
Maquis de Sade.
Actually that's libeling the Marquis de Sade who was thoughtful man who happened to like
kinky sex and didn't believe in hypocrisy.
Oops I didn't mean to libel de Sade. Of course liking him doesn't
necessarily reflect on *him *(see Neitzsche for more details).
Re Newton, I thought it because I read something like this:
Newton's famous phrase If I have seen further than others, then it is
because I have stood on the shoulders
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