Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-08 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/5/7 daddycay...@msn.com: People here keep thinking that I am trying to convince people that God is a person and/or that there is a God.  Let me give you a hint that that's not the kind of thing that I would think is worthwhile to try to convince people about my wife.  (convince Wow, we

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-07 Thread Kim Jones
On 07/05/2009, at 3:43 PM, daddycay...@msn.com wrote: I think that knowing what a person is is sort of like knowing what consciousness is. Good. Have you ever had the feeling/hunch/thought/intuition/ apprehension/revelation/vision (call it what you will) that you know a person to whom the

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-07 Thread daddycaylor
On May 7, 1:42 am, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: So - going back to God then, let's maybe do an OPV on him/her/it Hint: If I can't do an OPV on God, then I'm not convinced that: 1. God is a person (100% convinced) 2. There is a God (74% convinced) People here keep thinking

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-07 Thread Jason Resch
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 11:30 AM, daddycay...@msn.com wrote: On May 7, 1:42 am, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: So - going back to God then, let's maybe do an OPV on him/her/it Hint: If I can't do an OPV on God, then I'm not convinced that: 1. God is a person (100% convinced)

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-07 Thread Kim Jones
On 08/05/2009, at 2:30 AM, daddycay...@msn.com wrote: People here keep thinking that I am trying to convince people that God is a person and/or that there is a God. OK - we will stop it! I don't really think that, but if you are anything like me Tom, you have gone through periods in your

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-07 Thread Kim Jones
Fabulous post, Jason. Enthralling stuff. Kim On 08/05/2009, at 9:20 AM, Jason Resch wrote: If we on this list believe that everything (or at least everything with a self consistent definition) exists, then we must also believe that all possible gods exist. Be they artificial

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-06 Thread daddycaylor
On May 4, 6:13 am, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/4  daddycay...@msn.com: I agree that religion, and a lot of other stuff, produces a lot of fake certainty.  Not good.  So that implies that atheism is the way to go? But doesn't it make sense that if God were

RE: Temporary Reality

2009-05-06 Thread Jesse Mazer
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:33:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Temporary Reality From: daddycay...@msn.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com On May 4, 6:13 am, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/4 daddycay...@msn.com: I agree that religion, and a lot of other stuff

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-06 Thread Kim Jones
as a staging post to a future, more correct theology. As such, atheism could be serving a strictly beneficial purpose at this time. Why I refer to it as temporary reality. It may actually be necessary to be wrong about something to provoke the mind to jump off the rails of its habitual patterns

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-06 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/5/7 daddycay...@msn.com: On May 4, 6:13 am, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/4  daddycay...@msn.com: I agree that religion, and a lot of other stuff, produces a lot of fake certainty.  Not good.  So that implies that atheism is the way to go? But doesn't

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-06 Thread daddycaylor
- the only advantage I am suggesting is that atheism be seen as a   staging post to a future, more correct theology. As such, atheism   could be serving a strictly beneficial purpose at this time. Why I   refer to it as temporary reality. It may actually be necessary to be   wrong about something

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-06 Thread daddycaylor
On May 6, 12:47 pm, Jesse Mazer laserma...@hotmail.com wrote: Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 11:33:52 -0700 Subject: Re: Temporary Reality From: daddycay...@msn.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com On May 4, 6:13 am, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/4  daddycay

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-05 Thread Kim Jones
On 04/05/2009, at 12:57 PM, daddycay...@msn.com wrote: But doesn't it make sense that if God were personal, and a human person like us could relate to him/her as a person, then that would result in expanding our consciousness? Tom What particular (and verifiable) personal interactions

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-05 Thread daddycaylor
On May 5, 1:27 am, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 04/05/2009, at 12:57 PM, daddycay...@msn.com wrote: But doesn't it make sense that if God were personal, and a human person like us could relate to him/her as a person, then that would result in expanding our consciousness?

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 May 2009, at 18:19, daddycay...@msn.com wrote: The second question is in the form of, Doesn't C imply D?: But doesn't it make sense that if God were personal, and a human person like us could relate to him/her as a person, then that would result in expanding our consciousness?

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-04 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/5/4 daddycay...@msn.com: I agree that religion, and a lot of other stuff, produces a lot of fake certainty.  Not good.  So that implies that atheism is the way to go? But doesn't it make sense that if God were personal, and a human person like us could relate to him/her as a person,

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-03 Thread daddycaylor
I agree that religion, and a lot of other stuff, produces a lot of fake certainty. Not good. So that implies that atheism is the way to go? But doesn't it make sense that if God were personal, and a human person like us could relate to him/her as a person, then that would result in expanding

Re: Temporary Reality

2009-05-02 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 01 May 2009, at 08:53, Kim Jones wrote: Perhaps atheism is necessary as a stepping stone to a more correct theology? Ah ah, I see that you want to provoke me :) Hard to say, I am discovering that many atheist websites adopt a new definition of atheism, making it a form of

Temporary Reality

2009-05-01 Thread Kim Jones
Perhaps atheism is necessary as a stepping stone to a more correct theology? Materialistic atheism is not irrational, being on the side of reason, but it may be illogical, given the advanced view of reality we are adopting on this list that challenges the myth of a hard material