Re: On The Origin Of Time

walk from my desk to the cafe to get my cup of coffee is often the most productive time of my day. Cheers On Fri, Feb 02, 2024 at 03:17:59PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: > I'm surprised.  All mathematicians have experienced it, but it's named after > Poincare' because of this essay.  It's well

Re: On The Origin Of Time

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 6:17 PM Brent Meeker wrote: * >I'm surprised. * > Why? Neither google nor GPT knows what the "Poincaire' effect" is in I don't either. > > All mathematicians have experienced it, > That depends on what "it" is. Just tell me what you're talking about and why it

Re: On The Origin Of Time

I'm surprised.  All mathematicians have experienced it, but it's named after Poincare' because of this essay.  It's well worth reading all of it, but the relevant part is pp 326-329. https://archive.org/details/jstor-27900262/page/n9/mode/2up Brent On 2/2/2024 11:47 AM, John Clark wrote: On

Re: On The Origin Of Time

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 2:34 PM Brent Meeker wrote: * > You must know about the Poincaire' effect* Nope, never heard of it. Do you mean the Poincaré conjecture? Or the Poincaré recurrence? Or do you mean something else entirely, the man did a lot of stuff. John K ClarkSee what's on my new

Re: On The Origin Of Time

You write that a lot, John.  But I don't think it's true.  You must know about the Poincaire' effect, which is actually common and is a direct contradiction of your theory. Brent On 2/2/2024 3:52 AM, John Clark wrote: I believe data processing is important because I think consciousness is

On The Origin Of Time

*I recently read the book "On the Origin of Time, Stephen Hawking's Final Theory" by Thomas Hertog, and I thought it was pretty good, but I did write to the author with the following comment. I have not received a reply. * *==* *Hello Professor Hertog* *I read your book "On The

Re: Time Until Superintelligence and the Singularity, 20 Years or 8 Years or 2?

ouldn't be a Singularity. John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at Extropolis <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis> bbt Time Until Superintelligence: 1-2 Years, or 20? <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvU3Dn_8sFI> -- You received this message because you are subsc

Re: Time Until Superintelligence and the Singularity, 20 Years or 8 Years or 2?

d just be icing on the cake.   John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis  qcn Time Until Superintelligence: 1-2 Years, or 20? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

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Re: Time Until Superintelligence and the Singularity, 20 Years or 8 Years or 2?

Everything-list@googlegroups.com Whenever AI is installed on reliable quantum computers. Yes above 100 successful operations per second I will hold with your prediction. Sent from the all new AOL app for Android On Mon, Jul 10, 2023 at 6:37 PM, John Clark wrote: Time Until

Time Until Superintelligence and the Singularity, 20 Years or 8 Years or 2?

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The first time the authors of GPT-4 realize something unexpected was going on

Today's New York Times describes the first time the authors of GPT-4 realiz ed that they didn't fully understand how the program that they themselves had written worked. They asked a very early unreleased version of GPT-4 to solve a puzzle that they were almost sure it would not be able to solve

Life explained by the Physics of time?

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Re: Are we entering a time of no more technological advances?

On Mon, Jan 9, 2023 at 10:10 PM Brent Meeker wrote: >> Most of the explanations for the ephemeral nature of intelligence that >> I've heard, like war or environmental change, are not very convincing; > > > * > Why is environmental change not convincing. * > Because despite all the hype about

Re: Are we entering a time of no more technological advances?

On 1/7/2023 3:09 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:13 AM Brent Meeker wrote: >> we have never seen even a hint of ET or his engineering and there are only 2 viable explanations for that: *1)*For some unknown reason life is unable to make a

Re: Are we entering a time of no more technological advances?

Message- From: John Clark To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2023 6:09 am Subject: Re: Are we entering a time of no more technological advances? On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:13 AM Brent Meeker wrote:  >> we have never seen even a hint of ET or his engin

Re: Are we entering a time of no more technological advances?

On Sat, Jan 7, 2023 at 1:13 AM Brent Meeker wrote: >> we have never seen even a hint of ET or his engineering and there are >> only 2 viable explanations for that: > > *1)* For some unknown reason life is unable to make a significant impact >> on the universe. >> > *2) *The observable universe

Re: Are we entering a time of no more technological advances?

plenty of room at the bottom", and because there's no obvious limit on how smart something can be. I think we're entering a time when more technical advances will be made but *NOT* by human beings and, depending on your perspective and that of the machines, AI will either come to our rescue

Re: Are we entering a time of no more technological advances?

OR, is the premise of the Physorg argument, inaccurate?  Stumble Upon... -Original Message- From: spudboy100 via Everything List To: johnkcl...@gmail.com ; everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2023 5:43 pm Subject: Re: Are we entering a time of no more technological

Re: Are we entering a time of no more technological advances?

Re: Are we entering a time of no more technological advances? On Thu, Jan 5, 2023 at 2:30 PM spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: https://phys.org/news/2023-01-scientific-breakthroughs.html > Will AI ever come to the rescue or is there some unanticipated physical limit > on humanity's

Re: Are we entering a time of no more technological advances?

omething can be. I think we're entering a time when more technical advances will be made but *NOT* by human beings and, depending on your perspective and that of the machines, AI will either come to our rescue or put scientists and engineers out of a job. There is a very good talk [the link is

Re: Are we entering a time of no more technological advances?

Physics innovation has slowed because it's been so successful. Phenomena accessible without a ten billion dollar accelerator or a telescope in orbit are few.  Innovation now is in biology: mRNA vaccines, CRISPR-Cas9, brain/computer implants,... Brent On 1/5/2023 11:30 AM, spudboy100 via

Are we entering a time of no more technological advances?

https://phys.org/news/2023-01-scientific-breakthroughs.html Will AI ever come to the rescue or is there some unanticipated physical limit on humanity's part? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group

Re: Penrose Singularity Predicts The End of Space Time

;> >>>>>> Penrose was Hawking's primary dissertation advisor. >>>>>> >>>>>> LC >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:28:49 PM UTC-6 >>>>>> agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>>

Re: Penrose Singularity Predicts The End of Space Time

gt; >>>>> Penrose was Hawking's primary dissertation advisor. >>>>> >>>>> LC >>>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:28:49 PM UTC-6 >>>>> agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hawki

Re: Penrose Singularity Predicts The End of Space Time

>>>>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:28:49 PM UTC-6 >>>>> agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hawking was Penrose's protégé ? On physics, what does this mean, in >>>>>> plain English? TIA, AG >>>>

Re: Penrose Singularity Predicts The End of Space Time

rimary dissertation advisor. >>>> >>>> LC >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:28:49 PM UTC-6 agrays...@gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hawking was Penrose's protégé ? On physics, what does this me

Re: Penrose Singularity Predicts The End of Space Time

rays...@gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hawking was Penrose's protégé ? On physics, what does this mean, in >>>> plain English? TIA, AG >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:07:02 PM UTC-7 Lawrence Crowell >>>> w

Re: Penrose Singularity Predicts The End of Space Time

dnesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:28:49 PM UTC-6 agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> Hawking was Penrose's protégé ? On physics, what does this mean, in >>> plain English? TIA, AG >>> >>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:07:

Re: Penrose Singularity Predicts The End of Space Time

2020 at 3:07:02 PM UTC-7 Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> >>> The work of Penrose and Hawking, Hawking at the time his protégé, is >>> that there is a region where all geodesics are incomplete. The geodesics >>> end and they do so at a spacelike region where the Wey

Re: Penrose Singularity Predicts The End of Space Time

C-7 Lawrence Crowell wrote: > >> The work of Penrose and Hawking, Hawking at the time his protégé, is that >> there is a region where all geodesics are incomplete. The geodesics end and >> they do so at a spacelike region where the Weyl curvature diverges. >> >>

Re: Penrose Singularity Predicts The End of Space Time

Hawking was Penrose's protégé ? On physics, what does this mean, in plain English? TIA, AG On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:07:02 PM UTC-7 Lawrence Crowell wrote: > The work of Penrose and Hawking, Hawking at the time his protégé, is that > there is a region where all geo

Re: Penrose Singularity Predicts The End of Space Time

The work of Penrose and Hawking, Hawking at the time his protégé, is that there is a region where all geodesics are incomplete. The geodesics end and they do so at a spacelike region where the Weyl curvature diverges. LC On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 10:48:11 PM UTC-6 agrays...@gmail.com

Penrose Singularity Predicts The End of Space Time

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Re: GR space-time motion in the absence of gravity

geodesic is a coordinate >> axis. >> >> Brent >> >> On 8/4/2020 3:24 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> > What bothers me about this is that the spatial coordinates generally >> > depend on each other, and time. In this situation will the geodesic &

Re: GR space-time motion in the absence of gravity

, Brent wrote: > > You can choose coordinates so that a particular geodesic is a coordinate > axis. > > Brent > > On 8/4/2020 3:24 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > What bothers me about this is that the spatial coordinates generally > > depend on each o

Re: GR space-time motion in the absence of gravity

You can choose coordinates so that a particular geodesic is a coordinate axis. Brent On 8/4/2020 3:24 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: What bothers me about this is that the spatial coordinates generally depend on each other, and time. In this situation will the geodesic equations yield

Re: GR space-time motion in the absence of gravity

w something moves in free and flat >>>>> space and spacetime is just determined by its initial conditions. >>>>> >>>>> LC >>>>> >>>> >>>> If one starts with SR and zero curvature of spacetime, and places a >>>&

Re: GR space-time motion in the absence of gravity

thing moves in free and flat >>>> space and spacetime is just determined by its initial conditions. >>>> >>>> LC >>>> >>> >>> If one starts with SR and zero curvature of spacetime, and places a test >>> particle in that s

Re: GR space-time motion in the absence of gravity

f one starts with SR and zero curvature of spacetime, and places a test >> particle in that spacetime spatially at rest, how will spacetime tell >> matter how to move if spacetime isn't curved? AG >> > > I think in this situation the direction of motion is ambiguous. AG

Re: GR space-time motion in the absence of gravity

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 5:00:22 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 1:55:15 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: >> >> I looked at the precession question, wrote it in WORD and then posted it >> in the wrong thread. A big line of anti-virus defense is working

Re: GR space-time motion in the absence of gravity

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 1:55:15 PM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > I looked at the precession question, wrote it in WORD and then posted it > in the wrong thread. A big line of anti-virus defense is working off-line. > I do a lot of work locally and pop on and off the internet. I try

Re: GR space-time motion in the absence of gravity

I looked at the precession question, wrote it in WORD and then posted it in the wrong thread. A big line of anti-virus defense is working off-line. I do a lot of work locally and pop on and off the internet. I try to never leave my machines on-line with an open port for anyone or any bot to

Re: GR space-time motion in the absence of gravity

On Sunday, August 2, 2020 at 5:30:36 AM UTC-6, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > The periapsis or perihelion advance of Mercury is largely a result of > classical perturbation theory in classical mechanics. About 10% of the > perihelion advance could not be accounted for by perturbation methods in

Re: GR space-time motion in the absence of gravity

The periapsis or perihelion advance of Mercury is largely a result of classical perturbation theory in classical mechanics. About 10% of the perihelion advance could not be accounted for by perturbation methods in classical mechanics. This has to be admired in some ways. Finding the ephemeris

Re: GR space-time motion in the absence of gravity

On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 10:35:09 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > In flat space, which is tantamount to assuming the absence of gravity, and > non-zero curvature, a body placed at spatial coordinates x,y,z, will move > because t increments. But if there is zero curvature, in which

GR space-time motion in the absence of gravity

In flat space, which is tantamount to assuming the absence of gravity, and non-zero curvature, a body placed at spatial coordinates x,y,z, will move because t increments. But if there is zero curvature, in which direction will it move? That is, how is the direction of motion determined? TIA, AG

Re: Time travel in quantum computing

This looks interesting. There are relative time machines in QM, where one system may by virtue of its energy move faster or slower in time. For a two-state system the string of binary outputs has Kolmogorov complexity 2^N. However, the quantum complexity is exp(2^N). for N = 4 the K-complexity

Time travel in quantum computing

https://newatlas.com/physics/quantum-time-travel-simulator-butterfly-effect/ Recovery of Damaged Information and the Out-of-Time-Ordered Correlators https://arxiv.org/abs/2003.07267 @philipthrift -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Every

Re: Coordinate time vs Proper time

t;> On 5/22/2020 9:48 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > >> > >> On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 9:05:23 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > >> > >> On 5/22/2020 6:26 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > >> > >> On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 3:28:40 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > >&g

Re: Coordinate time vs Proper time

. His elapsed or proper time will be finite, but what is his coordinate time at the end of the journey? TIA, AG It's not a dumb question IMO. If you circumnavigate a spherical non-expanding universe, what happens to coordinate time at the end of the journey? Does something update the time coordinate

Re: Coordinate time vs Proper time

n Friday, May 22, 2020 at 11:03:40 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/22/2020 9:48 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 9:05:23

Re: Coordinate time vs Proper time

: Suppose the universe is a hyper-sphere, not expanding, and an observer travels on a closed loop and returns to his spatial starting point. His elapsed or proper time

Re: Coordinate time vs Proper time

on a closed loop and returns to his spatial starting point. His elapsed or proper time will be finite, but what is his coordinate time at the end of the journey? TIA, AG It's not a dumb

Re: Coordinate time vs Proper time

day, May 22, 2020 at 9:05:23 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/22/2020 6:26 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>

Re: Coordinate time vs Proper time

0 9:48 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, May 22, 2020 at 9:05:23 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5/22/2020 6:26 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>&

Re: Coordinate time vs Proper time

: Suppose the universe is a hyper-sphere, not expanding, and an observer travels on a closed loop and returns to his spatial starting point. His elapsed or proper time will be finite, but what is his

Re: Coordinate time vs Proper time

, and an observer travels on a closed loop and returns to his spatial starting point. His elapsed or proper time will be finite, but what is his coordinate time at the end of the journey?  TIA, AG It's not a dumb question IMO. If you circumnavigate

Re: Coordinate time vs Proper time

; On 5/22/2020 6:26 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 3:28:40 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Suppose the universe is a hyper-sphere, not expanding, and an observer >>

Re: Coordinate time vs Proper time

;>>> >>>> Suppose the universe is a hyper-sphere, not expanding, and an observer >>>> travels on a closed loop and returns to his spatial starting point. His >>>> elapsed or proper time will be finite, but what is his coordinate time at >>>&g

Re: Coordinate time vs Proper time

, May 18, 2020 at 3:28:40 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: Suppose the universe is a hyper-sphere, not expanding, and an observer travels on a closed loop and returns to his spatial starting point. His elapsed or proper time will be finite, but what

Re: Coordinate time vs Proper time

> >> >> On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 3:28:40 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> Suppose the universe is a hyper-sphere, not expanding, and an observer >>> travels on a closed loop and returns to his spatial starting point. His >>> elapsed or proper

Re: Coordinate time vs Proper time

, and an observer travels on a closed loop and returns to his spatial starting point. His elapsed or proper time will be finite, but what is his coordinate time at the end of the journey?  TIA, AG It's not a dumb question IMO. If you circumnavigate a spherical non

Re: Coordinate time vs Proper time

bserver >> travels on a closed loop and returns to his spatial starting point. His >> elapsed or proper time will be finite, but what is his coordinate time at >> the end of the journey? TIA, AG >> > > It's not a dumb question IMO. If you circumnavigate a spherical &g

Re: Coordinate time vs Proper time

On 5/22/2020 6:26 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 3:28:40 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: Suppose the universe is a hyper-sphere, not expanding, and an observer travels on a closed loop and returns to his spatial starting point. His elapsed or proper time

Re: Coordinate time vs Proper time

On Monday, May 18, 2020 at 3:28:40 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > Suppose the universe is a hyper-sphere, not expanding, and an observer > travels on a closed loop and returns to his spatial starting point. His > elapsed or proper time will be finite, but what is his coo

Coordinate time vs Proper time

Suppose the universe is a hyper-sphere, not expanding, and an observer travels on a closed loop and returns to his spatial starting point. His elapsed or proper time will be finite, but what is his coordinate time at the end of the journey? TIA, AG -- You received this message because you

Re: "Proof" of time-energy form of HUP -- anything awry here?

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 10:21:09 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 5:36:34 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 7:51:49 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >>> >>> >>> ht

Re: "Proof" of time-energy form of HUP -- anything awry here?

On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 5:36:34 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 7:51:49 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> >> https://www.google.com/search?q=time-energy+uncertainty+principle+derivation=1C1CHBF_enUS878US878=isch=iu=1=PjREgSqr

Re: "Proof" of time-energy form of HUP -- anything awry here?

On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 7:51:49 AM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > https://www.google.com/search?q=time-energy+uncertainty+principle+derivation=1C1CHBF_enUS878US878=isch=iu=1=PjREgSqrhN_VwM%253A%252CzJ-juHz9_B7uxM%252C_=1=AI4_-kSgX8i7G1G5mvD-eKkPmWv

"Proof" of time-energy form of HUP -- anything awry here?

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Re: MWI and time

Thank you! I have to admit that I like this interpretation. Some people say that it even explain cosmological fine-tunning -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it,

Re: MWI and time

tive sense. As far as why we experience it, I think the reason is thermodynamics. It takes energy to process and record information (Landauer's Limit) and since energy can only be expended in one direction of time, information processing systems like life and brains evolved to process and record i

Re: MWI and time

On Thursday, April 23, 2020 at 2:21:48 PM UTC-5, Eva wrote: > > Hello guys :) what do you think about time in many world interpretation? > If there is one changless global wave function, than why we have change at > all? > > All these states, different branches which emer

MWI and time

Hello guys :) what do you think about time in many world interpretation? If there is one changless global wave function, than why we have change at all? All these states, different branches which emerge or are incribed in global wave, are not changless - we experience change. Why

Re: Position-Momentum vs. Time-Energy Uncertainty

ay, April 14, 2020 at 4:28:23 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: >> > >> >> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 2:07 AM Jason Resch >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> There has been controversy [1] in the meaning/interpretation of >> >>> the Time-Ener

Re: Position-Momentum vs. Time-Energy Uncertainty

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 3:59 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 4/15/2020 10:37 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > Can you give a concrete example where the time-energy form of the UP can > be applied to? I once had an example,

Re: Position-Momentum vs. Time-Energy Uncertainty

>> wrote: >> >>> There has been controversy [1] in the meaning/interpretation of >>> the Time-Energy uncertainty relation in quantum mechanics, but >>> relatively none regarding the meaning of the position-momentum >>> u

Re: Position-Momentum vs. Time-Energy Uncertainty

>> > >>> There has been controversy [1] in the meaning/interpretation of > >>> the Time-Energy uncertainty relation in quantum mechanics, but > >>> relatively none regarding the meaning of the position-momentum > >>> uncertainty. > >&g

Re: Position-Momentum vs. Time-Energy Uncertainty

On 15-04-2020 04:20, Alan Grayson wrote: On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 4:28:23 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 2:07 AM Jason Resch wrote: There has been controversy [1] in the meaning/interpretation of the Time-Energy uncertainty relation in quantum mechanics, but relatively

Re: Position-Momentum vs. Time-Energy Uncertainty

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 11:07:42 AM UTC-5, Jason wrote: > > There has been controversy <https://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0105049.pdf> in > the meaning/interpretation of the Time-Energy uncertainty relation in > quantum mechanics, but relatively none regarding the meaning

Re: Position-Momentum vs. Time-Energy Uncertainty

On Tuesday, April 14, 2020 at 4:28:23 PM UTC-6, Bruce wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 2:07 AM Jason Resch > wrote: > >> There has been controversy <https://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0105049.pdf> in >> the meaning/interpretation of the Time-Energy uncertainty rel

Re: Position-Momentum vs. Time-Energy Uncertainty

On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 2:07 AM Jason Resch wrote: > There has been controversy <https://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0105049.pdf> in > the meaning/interpretation of the Time-Energy uncertainty relation in > quantum mechanics, but relatively none regarding the meaning of the >

Position-Momentum vs. Time-Energy Uncertainty

There has been controversy <https://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0105049.pdf> in the meaning/interpretation of the Time-Energy uncertainty relation in quantum mechanics, but relatively none regarding the meaning of the position-momentum uncertainty. However, can these not be viewed equiva

Re: Does time flow?

contain all the information that it now contains some 13.8 billion years after the big bang? Assuming, for the sake of argument that new information, which did not exist before is created with the passage of time how can that be recociled with the block universe hypothesis? I am not convinced either

Re: Does time flow?

that assumption. Instead Grisin argues that > a hundred year old branch of mathematics called Intuitionust Mathematics > that rejects the existence of numbers with infinite digitsvof precision is > used to describe the evolution of physical systems, it becomes clear that > time re

Re: Does time flow?

given; Nicolas Gisin questions that assumption. Instead Grisin argues that a > hundred year old branch of mathematics called Intuitionust Mathematics that > rejects the existence of numbers with infinite digitsvof precision is used to > describe the evolution of physical systems, it becomes c

RE: Does time flow?

to describe the evolution of physical systems, it becomes clear that time really passes and that new information is being created. The block universe model of spacetime argues for a static -- pre-ordained -- universe in which past, present and future are illusions and all that is always has been

Re: Reachability for infinite -time Turing machines with long tapes

d of switch toggling. So, if that switch is toggled or not toggled with > each half-partitioned integral of time any possible algorithm can be > computed and its output logged. However, this idealism is spoiled by > quantum mechanics, for the black hole will emit Hawking radiation and the > inne

Re: Reachability for infinite -time Turing machines with long tapes

A question is not what anyone's theory of physics (their favorite equations) entails, but instead What would be the kind of a collection of raw *data* (aka observations) from labs or telescopes or whatevers that would be needed to lead one to surmise a beyond-Turing theory would be needed

Re: Reachability for infinite -time Turing machines with long tapes

increase in energy required to oscillate the > switch means that even if the switch does not fly apart it will face an > energy limit where it is a black hole. Hence, at least from the outside > general relativity appears to spoil the dream of circumventing Gödel and > Turing. >

Re: Reachability for infinite -time Turing machines with long tapes

the outside general relativity appears to spoil the dream of circumventing Gödel and Turing. What if we go into the black hole? The inner event horizon is in the pure eternal solution continuous with I^∞. This would permit a sort of Zeno computation to be observed. This means one could in p

Re: Reachability for infinite -time Turing machines with long tapes

uter science. Bruno > > LC > > >> >> LC >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Lawrence Crowell > >> To: Everything List > >> Sent: Wed, Mar 11, 2020 10:31 am >> Subject: Re: Reachability for infinite -time Tu

Re: Reachability for infinite -time Turing machines with long tapes

> On 14 Mar 2020, at 12:22, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 5:23:53 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 12 Mar 2020, at 14:07, Lawrence Crowell > > wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 11:21:55 PM UTC-5, spudb...@aol.com >> wrote: >>

Re: Reachability for infinite -time Turing machines with long tapes

On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 1:48:43 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 3/14/2020 4:22 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 5:23:53 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 12 Mar 2020, at 14:07, Lawrence Crowell >> wrote: >> >> On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at

Re: Reachability for infinite -time Turing machines with long tapes

called black hole computers the same holds. Quantum gravitation is the same, and my essay on FQXi explores this. LC > > > LC > > >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Lawrence Crowell >> To: Everything List >> Sent: Wed, Mar 11, 2020 10:31 am

Re: Reachability for infinite -time Turing machines with long tapes

On 3/14/2020 4:22 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 5:23:53 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Mar 2020, at 14:07, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 11:21:55 PM UTC-5, spudb...@aol.com wrote: You're

Re: Reachability for infinite -time Turing machines with long tapes

On Saturday, March 14, 2020 at 5:23:53 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 12 Mar 2020, at 14:07, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 11, 2020 at 11:21:55 PM UTC-5, spudb...@aol.com wrote: >> >> You're ignoring quantum and photonic computing??!! >> >> > No, quantum computing

Re: Reachability for infinite -time Turing machines with long tapes

lready in its main quantum computability paper. Bruno > > LC > > > -Original Message- > From: Lawrence Crowell > > To: Everything List > > Sent: Wed, Mar 11, 2020 10:31 am > Subject: Re: Reachability for infinite -time Turing machines with long tapes

Re: Reachability for infinite -time Turing machines with long tapes

> On 11 Mar 2020, at 15:31, Lawrence Crowell > wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 10, 2020 at 10:16:38 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.05734 > > @philipthrift > > It looks to be a version of the busy beaver problem. The scale of the

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