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No, the thing about us ash-kans traced to syria. Sirhan and Oswald dis it John because of J. Edgar Hoover and the Dulles boys. Blackmail and counter Blackmail with the Hoovers & the Missile of October 1962 for the Dulles bros! FBI sought men who wanted to be men of destiny for assassins.

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On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 6:56 PM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: *> Being a Trumpkin myself, with a little RFK on the side,* RFK! If you put a gun to my head and I had to pick somebody even dumber than Trump it would be RFK. I mean, the COVID

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Being a Trumpkin myself, with a little RFK on the side, I would ask how do any politicians, bankers, or any of the military, world-wide, BENEFIT by withholding knowledge about apparent, Friendlies, from an advanced species in the Milky Way? People, even the crazy, religious. would wait and see

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On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 6:25 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *> Yes, typical Trumpering* [blah blah] tWow, calling a guy known for disliking Trump a Trumper, never heard that one before, at least I never heard it before except by you about 1003 times before. John K ClarkSee what's on my new list

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Yes, typical Trumpering mentality; unable to deal with facts. AG On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 11:26:09 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 1:17 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > > *>Consistent with your de facto Trumper* [blah blah] > > > Wow, calling a guy known for disliking Trump a

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On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 1:17 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *>Consistent with your de facto Trumper* [blah blah] Wow, calling a guy known for disliking Trump a Trumper, never heard that one before, at least I never heard it before except by you about 1002 times before. John K ClarkSee what's on

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Consistent with your de facto Trumper methodology, you manipulate the facts of the argument. That is, whereas I agree I am not acting "intelligently" when sleeping, under sedation, or dead, all I asserted, and continue to assert, that based on your knowledge of how AG was *CREATED,* you can,

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On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 9:54 AM Alan Grayson wrote: *> As far as consciousness is concerned, you've done your research on AG > and determined his creation was remarkably similar to yours. Hence, if you > consider yourself conscious, you can extend that belief to AG.* But I don't believe that

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As far as consciousness is concerned, you've done your research on AG and determined his creation was remarkably similar to yours. Hence, if you consider yourself conscious, you can extend that belief to AG. Generally, that in principle is what we humans habitually do. But AI does not fall

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On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 10:52 PM Alan Grayson wrote: >> JC: I just insist that it's equally logical for me to conclude an AI is > conscious as it is for me to conclude that Alan Grayson is conscious. >*AG: That's wrong.* > So Alan Grayson is not conscious, not even when he's not sleeping or

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JC: I just insist that it's equally logical for me to conclude an AI is conscious as it is for me to conclude that Alan Grayson is conscious. AG: That's wrong. On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 2:44:16 PM UTC-6 John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 4:28 PM Alan Grayson wrote: > > *> This is

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On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 4:28 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *> This is a dumb discussion.* I've noticed. > * > You admit, more or less, that you don't know what consciousness is, > yet you insist that's what AI is manifesting.* No, I don't insist that an AI must be conscious, I just insist that

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This is a dumb discussion. You admit, more or less, that you don't *know* what consciousness is, yet you insist that's what AI is manifesting. All you can really say with any certainty, that AI is able to *MIMIC* conscious behavior. So, my advice, is stick to what you really know, and cease

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On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 3:31 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *> If you insist on huge distortions of what UFO believers claim, there's > no point in continuing this discussion. It's not unike Trumpers who* > [blah blah] Wow, calling a guy known for disliking Trump a Trumper, never heard that one before,

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On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 3:25 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *> It's pretty clear, in fact obvious, that you regard other human beings > as conscious* YES. > > *for the reasons I stated.* NO. For thousands of years, long before anyone knew anything about Evolution or electronics or much of anything

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If you insist on* huge *distortions of what UFO believers claim, there's no point in continuing this discussion. It's not unike Trumpers who continue to claim Biden stole the 2020 election. AG On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 1:13:43 PM UTC-6 John Clark wrote: > On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 1:59 PM

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It's pretty clear, in fact obvious, that you regard other human beings as conscious for the reasons I stated. So there's nothing to argue about here. You want to argue that because Evolution apparently *stumbled* on to consciousness, it's reasonable to assume human computer scientists could

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On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 1:59 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *> The fact is about 5% of the sightings are inexplicable* The flying saucer nuts say that precisely 0.0% of the sightings are inexplicable, they identify every single one of them, they insist that anything they see in the sky that they don't

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On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 1:44 PM Alan Grayson wrote: *> Yes, because you believe YOU are conscious and we're similarly > constituted; that is, created by a virtually identical process.* If the process that created you is *virtually *identical with the process that created me then you and I are

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I read an article recently which claimed that RNA has been produced in a lab, but nothing remotely like a replicating living entity. In response to your other comment, I am just saying that our physical forms and the process of our creations, are virtually identical, so on that basis you can

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Incidentally, I read yesterday that William Shatner is hugely skeptical about aliens coming hundred or thousands of light years from Earth, only to remain anonymous. I suppose he has a point, but maybe they're local, say natural residents on one of the moons of Jupiter or Saturn. What offends

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Yes, because you believe *YOU* are conscious and we're similarly constituted; that is, created by a virtually identical process. But for computers to be conscious, implies those who built them somehow *stumbled *onto constructing a living entity without knowing what life or living is. Most

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On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 11:06 AM Alan Grayson wrote: *> AFAIK, all attempts to create life in a test tube have failed.* Artificial life made in lab can grow and divide like natural bacteria

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AFAIK, all attempts to create life in a test tube have failed. Am I supposed to believe that computer scientists have created conscious entities even though they have zero understanding of what consciousness is? AG On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 1:14:57 PM UTC-6 John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Aug

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On Fri, Aug 4, 2023 at 9:52 AM Alan Grayson wrote: > A monumental UFO scandal is looming > A former and possible future President of the United

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A monumental UFO scandal is looming (msn.com) On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 12:41:24 PM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote: > Congressman: More witnesses

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Congressman: More witnesses were scared away from UFO hearing (msn.com) On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 10:07:48 AM UTC-6 Alan

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There was a classified session of the House Oversight Committee and the key, or at least provocative findings. remain classified. AG On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 11:51:05 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote: > You can ignore the 5% of UFO events considered enigmatic and inexplicably > still consider

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From your keyboard to God's Dyson Sphere! ​Dyson spheres: The key to resurrection and immortality? - Big Think On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 07:16:55 AM EDT, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 12:04 AM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List wrote: > Personally, I would

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Understood. From where my mind is at, there is great advantage and excitement to having fellow experiencers in the Schrodinger's box we call the Universe. One advantage is to be a factor containing human aggression. If there are fellows in the skies, telling Putin, "You know the Neighbors are

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You can ignore the 5% of UFO events considered enigmatic and inexplicably still consider yourself a scientist. Sagan had the same view. AG On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 5:16:54 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 12:04 AM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List < >

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On Sun, Jul 30, 2023 at 12:04 AM 'spudboy...@aol.com' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > Personally, I would like the cosmos to be occupied by evolved, > technological, minds. > Most people feel the same way, that's why such things are so abundant in popular culture

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