Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-26 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
2009/8/26 David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com: On 25 Aug, 14:32, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: Let's say the alien brain in its initial environment produced a certain output when it was presented with a certain input, such as a red light. The reconstructed brain is in a

Re: Against Physics

2009-08-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Aug 2009, at 05:26, Rex Allen wrote: On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 9:50 AM, David Nymandavid.ny...@gmail.com wrote: Recalling your interest in Chalmers: I was re-reading Facing Up to the Problem of Consciousness recently, and I realised - I think for the first time - that his own

Re: Learning binary numbers

2009-08-26 Thread Mirek Dobsicek
Hi Marty, thanks a lot for your reply. I was really interested in whether the lesson would work with you. I had the pleasure to teach the binary arithmetic to kids in summer school camps, in the grammar school and to university students as well. Some kids/students got it quite easily some did

Re: Learning binary numbers

2009-08-26 Thread m.a.
Hello Mirek, Let us recall that Socrates was famous for setting up straw men who usually agreed to every step of his proof and were finally forced by logic, against their previous judgments, to accept his conclusions. I would dearly love to see an unedited video of the

Re: Learning binary numbers

2009-08-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Aug 2009, at 13:10, Mirek Dobsicek wrote: So if you have said that you got hooked-up to math by that socratic method... Bruno would definitely took the hint in his seveth step serii. I appreciate very much the Socratic method, and I apply it as much as possible. The UDA itself

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-26 Thread Brent Meeker
Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/8/26 David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com: On 25 Aug, 14:32, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: Let's say the alien brain in its initial environment produced a certain output when it was presented with a certain input, such as a red light. The

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 26 Aug 2009, at 17:58, Brent Meeker wrote: Stathis Papaioannou wrote: 2009/8/26 David Nyman david.ny...@gmail.com: On 25 Aug, 14:32, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: snip I think what I have proposed is consistent with functionalism, which may or may not be true. A

Re: The seven step series

2009-08-26 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi, I sum up, a little bit, and then I go quickly, just to provide some motivation for the sequel. We have seen the notion of set. We have seen examples of finite sets and infinite sets. For example the sets A = {0, 1, 2}, B = {2, 3} are finite. The set N = {0, 1, 2, 3, ...} is

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-26 Thread David Nyman
2009/8/26 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: I sometimes have the feeling you're saying something interesting...and wishing I knew what it was. Alas, I'm filled with chagrin. On reflection, I share both of those feelings fairly regularly! I've spent a lot of time over the years - too

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-26 Thread David Nyman
2009/8/26 Rex Allen rexallen...@gmail.com: To me, 60% of David's posts are intricately worded works of Ciceronian prose that eloquently make points of great depth and insight...and the other 40% are intricately worded works of eye-crossingly impenetrable prose of which I can make neither

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-26 Thread David Nyman
2009/8/26 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com: With the example of the light, you alter the photoreceptors in the retina so that they respond the same way when to a blue light that they would have when exposed to a red light. Ah, so the alien has photoreceptors and retinas? That's an

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-26 Thread Brent Meeker
David Nyman wrote: 2009/8/26 Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com: With the example of the light, you alter the photoreceptors in the retina so that they respond the same way when to a blue light that they would have when exposed to a red light. Ah, so the alien has photoreceptors and

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-26 Thread David Nyman
2009/8/26 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: I don't see that. I conjectured that with sufficient knowledge of the environment in which the alien functioned and input-outputs at the corresponding level, one could provide and account of the alien's experience. I was my point that simply

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-26 Thread Brent Meeker
David Nyman wrote: 2009/8/26 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: I don't see that. I conjectured that with sufficient knowledge of the environment in which the alien functioned and input-outputs at the corresponding level, one could provide and account of the alien's experience. I was

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-26 Thread David Nyman
2009/8/26 Rex Allen rexallen...@gmail.com: It seems as though we can comprehend 'mind' only in terms of some self-instantiating, self-interpreting context, in which meaning depends always on the self-relating logic of differentiation and interaction. Hence the 'perspective' of mind is

Re: Dreaming On

2009-08-26 Thread David Nyman
2009/8/27 Brent Meeker meeke...@dslextreme.com: I'm questioning something more subtle here, I think. First, one could simply decide to be eliminativist about experience, and hold that the extrinsic PM account is both exhaustive and singular. In this case, 'being' anything is simply an