Re: The semantic view of theories and higher-order languages

2019-02-10 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 04:06:49PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > But when used in physics, this type of inductive inference assume not only a > reality, but a “brain-mind” identity, which is not consistent with the > mechanist hypothesis. > How so? All it assumes is that there is a

Re: The semantic view of theories and higher-order languages

2019-02-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 3 Feb 2019, at 04:35, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 04:06:49PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> But when used in physics, this type of inductive inference assume not only a >> reality, but a “brain-mind” identity, which is not consistent with the >> mechanist

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-10 Thread Lawrence Crowell
I do not hold to the idea of panpsychism and the existence of God is something that can be dismissed with no loss of understanding of reality. It is harder to know about consciousness in living things. I hesitate in some ways to think that prokaryotes are conscious in the way we are, just

Re: Coherent states of a superposition

2019-02-10 Thread agrayson2000
On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 8:43:59 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 8:56:57 AM UTC-7, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 3 Feb 2019, at 00:03, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, February 2, 2019 at 2:59:30 PM UTC-7, agrays...@gmail.com

When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-10 Thread Philip Thrift
Two recent books: The First Minds: Caterpillars, Karyotes, and Consciousness Arthur S. Reber https://books.google.com/books/about/The_First_Minds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ Brain-Mind: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity Paul Thagard

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/10/2019 4:42 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: I do not hold to the idea of panpsychism and the existence of God is something that can be dismissed with no loss of understanding of reality. It is harder to know about consciousness in living things. I hesitate in some ways to think that

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-10 Thread Russell Standish
On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 04:24:40PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 2/10/2019 3:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > 9. Consciousness began when human culture became advanced, around 3000 > > years ago (Julian Jaynes). The date more usually given is 40,000 years bp. There was an explosion of

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/10/2019 3:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: Two recent books: The First Minds: Caterpillars, Karyotes, and Consciousness Arthur S. Reber https://books.google.com/books/about/The_First_Minds.html?id=RBLEugEACAAJ Brain-Mind: From Neurons to Consciousness and Creativity Paul Thagard

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-10 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/10/2019 10:47 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 04:24:40PM -0800, Brent Meeker wrote: On 2/10/2019 3:34 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: 9. Consciousness began when human culture became advanced, around 3000 years ago (Julian Jaynes). The date more usually given is 40,000