Re: Tegmark is too physics-centric

2004-01-18 Thread Hal Finney
Kory Heath, [EMAIL PROTECTED], writes: It is very likely that even Conway's Life universe has this feature. Its rules are absurdly simple, and we know that it can contain self-replicating structures, which would be capable of mutation, and therefore evolution. We can specify very simple

The Facts of Life

2004-01-18 Thread Eric Hawthorne
CMR wrote: Indeed. The constraints to, and requirements for, terrestrial life have had to be revised and extended of late, given thermophiles and the like. Though they obviously share our dimensional requisites, they do serve to highlight the risk of prematurely pronouncing the facts of life.

Re: Computational complexity of running the multiverse

2004-01-18 Thread scerir
From: Eric Hawthorne One of the issues is the computational complexity of running all the possible i.e. definable programs to create an informational multiverse out of which consistent, metric, regular, observable info-universes emerge. If computation takes energy (as it undeniably does

Re: The Facts of Life

2004-01-18 Thread CMR
Just to be mischievous, I'll here pronounce the facts of life or more precisely a sketch of a theory of the emergence of life which will serve the purpose of partially constraining/ defining what is meant by life. This is a hobby project. Wow! A Rather exhaustive and admittedly impressive

Re: The Facts of Life and Hard AI

2004-01-18 Thread Eric Hawthorne
CMR wrote: I think it's useful here to note that from the strong AI point of view life as it could be is empahasized as opposed to life as we know it. It's also worth pointing out that the latter is based upon a single data point sample of all possible life, that sample consisting of life that

Re: Determinism - Mind and Brain

2004-01-18 Thread John M
My 2½ pence on Mind AND Brain: IMO (no persuasion intended) our mental complexity is an ASPECT of the complexity human (which is part(ner) of enveloping (interinfluencing?) complexities unlimited - applies a material tool with a very high level (how high is it?) of interconnectional complexity. It

Re: Determinism - Mind and Brain

2004-01-18 Thread CMR
Plato is Plato. Can't argue with that logic. (Although perhaps Korzybski might...) ;) And the last thing I want to condone is a special kind of 'modernization': to fashion the human complexity (mind?) after the (designed) functions of a machine, which is a partial product of the human

Fw: The Facts of Life and Hard AI

2004-01-18 Thread CMR
The Emergence of Life paper is talking specifically about those sorts of life that can emerge WITHOUT THE ASSISTANCE OF AN ALREADY SMARTER, MORE-ORGANIZED AGENT. That's why that kind of life (natural life) is a truly emergent or (emergent from less-order) system. Well, I'm an agnostic, but