Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 May 2012, at 01:22, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/22/2012 6:01 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/5/22 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net No, Bruno, it is not Neutral monism as such cannot assume any particular as primitive, even if it is quantity itself, for to do such is to

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Russell Standish
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 09:56:24AM -0500, Joseph Knight wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 5/21/2012 6:26 PM, Russell Standish wrote: Yes, that is the usual meaning. It can also be written (DP or not COMP). = = or not]

Re: Bases and other strange things

2012-05-23 Thread Russell Standish
The definition is a somewhat wordy, but essentially technically correct, form of the standard definition of a basis in Linear Algebra. What is your question, exactly? Cheers On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 09:09:07AM -0400, Stephen P. King wrote: Hi Folks, Lizr's resent post got me thinking

Re: Bases and other strange things

2012-05-23 Thread Stephen P. King
On 5/23/2012 1:03 AM, Russell Standish wrote: The definition is a somewhat wordy, but essentially technically correct, form of the standard definition of a basis in Linear Algebra. What is your question, exactly? Hi Russell, Could you elaborate on the dependence of the basis being given

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 May 2012, at 07:21, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 09:56:24AM -0500, Joseph Knight wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net wrote: On 5/21/2012 6:26 PM, Russell Standish wrote: Yes, that is the usual meaning. It can also be

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 May 2012, at 02:54, meekerdb wrote: On 5/22/2012 4:22 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/22/2012 6:01 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/5/22 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net No, Bruno, it is not Neutral monism as such cannot assume any particular as primitive, even if it is

Re: Bases and other strange things

2012-05-23 Thread meekerdb
On 5/23/2012 4:53 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/23/2012 1:03 AM, Russell Standish wrote: The definition is a somewhat wordy, but essentially technically correct, form of the standard definition of a basis in Linear Algebra. What is your question, exactly? Hi Russell, Could you

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread meekerdb
On 5/23/2012 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hmm... I agree with all your points in this post, except this one. The comp model (theory) has much more predictive power than physics, given that it predicts the whole of physics, It's easy to predict the whole of physics; just predict that

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 23.05.2012 10:47 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 23 May 2012, at 01:22, Stephen P. King wrote: ... If mathematical objects are not within the category of Mental then that is news to philosophers... If mathematical objects are within the category of Mental then that is news to

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Stephen P. King
On 5/23/2012 4:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 May 2012, at 01:22, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/22/2012 6:01 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/5/22 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net mailto:stephe...@charter.net No, Bruno, it is not Neutral monism as such cannot assume any

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2012/5/23 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net On 5/23/2012 4:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 May 2012, at 01:22, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/22/2012 6:01 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/5/22 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net No, Bruno, it is not Neutral monism as such

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Stephen P. King
On 5/23/2012 1:19 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 23.05.2012 10:47 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 23 May 2012, at 01:22, Stephen P. King wrote: ... If mathematical objects are not within the category of Mental then that is news to philosophers... If mathematical objects are within the

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 23.05.2012 19:43 Stephen P. King said the following: ... There seems to be a divergence of definitions occurring. It might be better for me to withdraw from philosophical discussions for a while and focus just on mathematical questions, like the dependence on order of a basis... I

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-23 Thread John Clark
On Tue, May 22, 2012 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Nominated for a reason or nominated for no reason. Wrong. I am doing the nominating. You are doing the nominating for a reason or you are doing the nominating for no reason. I have many reasons Then you are

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 May 2012, at 19:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 23.05.2012 10:47 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 23 May 2012, at 01:22, Stephen P. King wrote: ... If mathematical objects are not within the category of Mental then that is news to philosophers... If mathematical objects are

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 23.05.2012 20:01 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 23 May 2012, at 19:19, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Let us take terms like information, computation, etc. Are they mental or mathematical? Information is vague, and can be both. Computation is mathematical, by using the Church

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 May 2012, at 19:23, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/23/2012 4:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 May 2012, at 01:22, Stephen P. King wrote: On 5/22/2012 6:01 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2012/5/22 Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.net No, Bruno, it is not Neutral monism as such

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 May 2012, at 19:08, meekerdb wrote: On 5/23/2012 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hmm... I agree with all your points in this post, except this one. The comp model (theory) has much more predictive power than physics, given that it predicts the whole of physics, It's easy to predict

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread meekerdb
On 5/23/2012 11:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 May 2012, at 19:08, meekerdb wrote: On 5/23/2012 8:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hmm... I agree with all your points in this post, except this one. The comp model (theory) has much more predictive power than physics, given that it predicts the

RE: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Hal Ruhl
Hi Brent: What you appear to be asking for are predictions of the physics of a particular universe. My belief is that the best we can do is to predict the components of physics common to every evolving universe. My efforts have focused on understanding why there is a dynamic within the

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread meekerdb
On 5/23/2012 1:20 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote: Hi Brent: What you appear to be asking for are predictions of the physics of a particular universe. It's the other extreme from 'predicting' everything happens. Since we only have the one physical universe against which to test the prediction, it's the

RE: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Hal Ruhl
Hi Brent: I ask if it is reasonable to propose that a theory of everything must be able to list ALL the aspects of the local physics for each one of a complete catalog of universes? Suppose ours is just number 9,876,869,345 in the catalog. Would we ever complete such a project within the

Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread meekerdb
On 5/23/2012 4:42 PM, Hal Ruhl wrote: Hi Brent: I ask if it is reasonable to propose that a theory of everything must be able to list ALL the aspects of the local physics for each one of a complete catalog of universes? But I wasn't asking for ALL the aspects, just a few very general ones

RE: The limit of all computations

2012-05-23 Thread Hal Ruhl
Hi Brent: I shall try to respond tomorrow. Hal Ruhl From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:41 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The limit of all computations On

Re: Free will in MWI

2012-05-23 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 5:28 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: There is obviously at least a small probability that you will decide to sleep under a bush tonight. Only because of how we have defined probability and our assumptions about what it possible. There is nothing to say

Einstein and Formulas.

2012-05-23 Thread socra...@bezeqint.net
Einstein and Formulas. =. Einstein said, that the scientist does not think with formulas. But, dear Einstein, please see how nice to think with the help of these formulas: you can imagine the whole picture of Existence’s creation. =. § 1. Vacuum: T= 0K, E= ∞ , p = 0, t =∞ . § 2. Particles: C/D=