Re: A thought on MWI and its alternative(s)

2017-06-06 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 7/06/2017 5:51 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: Here I found a not too bad paper on this subtle subject: https://arxiv.org/pdf/0902.3827.pdf He do the calculus that different people have done sometimes. I mainly agree with it, but read it quickly. His notation is somewhat difficult to follow.

Re: A thought on MWI and its alternative(s)

2017-06-06 Thread David Nyman
On 6 June 2017 at 01:46, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 6/06/2017 10:21 am, David Nyman wrote: > > On 6 June 2017 at 00:23, Bruce Kellett < > bhkell...@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > >> On 5/06/2017 8:42 pm, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> I am not alone

The upper limit on the complexity of an algorithm that can learn to be intelligent

2017-06-06 Thread John Clark
Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> ​>​ >> all this hand wringing over consciousness is a waste of time because >> we already know as much as we're ever going to know about that. > > ​> ​ > Perhaps you're right, but on the other hand nobody is forcing you to have > the discussion.

Re: A thought on MWI and its alternative(s)

2017-06-06 Thread Alan McKenzie
I am completely new to Google Groups, and so I hope you may understand if my intrusion here is inappropriate or if I break any protocols in replying to this topic. I came across this Group while searching for a paper. I was very taken by Pierz’s first statement, as it reminded me of my own

Re: A thought on MWI and its alternative(s)

2017-06-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Jun 2017, at 19:09, David Nyman wrote: On 5 June 2017 at 17:38, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 05 Jun 2017, at 15:48, David Nyman wrote: On 5 June 2017 at 14:22, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Jun 2017, at 14:48, David Nyman wrote: On 4 Jun 2017 1:05

Re: “Could a Quantum Computer Have Subjective Experience?”

2017-06-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 05 Jun 2017, at 21:48, Brent Meeker wrote: Here Scott Aaronson addresses the "pretty-hard problem of consciousness" http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1951 Not much time to read it all, but very interesting. But they miss the point. They still don't listen to the machine. I

Re: substitution level

2017-06-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 6:35 PM, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 10:11 AM, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Besides that Mrs. Lincoln how did you like the play? >> >> >> >> > >> Why so nasty? > > > It's been 152 years. Too soon? I

Re: substitution level

2017-06-06 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 6:07 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 05 Jun 2017, at 16:07, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > I guess you mean that it does not violate Church thesis. > > > Yes. > > Of course, it can > > "do" things impossible to do in real time, or without emulating the subject,