Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

2019-02-22 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 11:28:50 PM UTC-6, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 9:12:02 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: >> >> On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 3:08 PM wrote: >> >>> On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 8:13:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/22/2019 6:04

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

2019-02-22 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 9:12:02 PM UTC-7, Bruce wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 3:08 PM > wrote: > >> On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 8:13:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >>> >>> On 2/22/2019 6:04 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 4:55:41 PM UTC-7, Brent

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

2019-02-22 Thread Bruce Kellett
On Sat, Feb 23, 2019 at 3:08 PM wrote: > On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 8:13:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> On 2/22/2019 6:04 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 4:55:41 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/22/2019 2:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >>>

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

2019-02-22 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 8:13:21 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/22/2019 6:04 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 4:55:41 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/22/2019 2:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Gravitons, as quanta of the metric

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

2019-02-22 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/22/2019 6:04 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 4:55:41 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/22/2019 2:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: Gravitons, as quanta of the metric field, are already relativistic particles and covariant. *I

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

2019-02-22 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 4:55:41 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/22/2019 2:40 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > Gravitons, as quanta of the metric field, are already relativistic >> particles and covariant. >> > > *I thought it's the equations of motion for the particular force,

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

2019-02-22 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/22/2019 2:40 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: Gravitons, as quanta of the metric field, are already relativistic particles and covariant. *I thought it's the equations of motion for the particular force, not the mediating particles, that must be covariant. On a related topic

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

2019-02-22 Thread agrayson2000
On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 1:34:31 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: > > > > On 2/21/2019 10:47 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 8:38:12 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 2/21/2019 4:05 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thursday, February 21,

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

2019-02-22 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/22/2019 11:39 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: This sounds almost tautological. I have not read Masanes' paper, but he seems to be saying the Born rule is a matter of pure logic. In some ways that is what Born said. The Born rule is not hard to understand. If you have a state space with

Re: When Did Consciousness Begin?

2019-02-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 20 Feb 2019, at 00:00, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 2/17/2019 2:10 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But the machine itself will not believe us, or understand this. >>> Why not? It can't prove what algorithm it is, but it can know that we >>> know...so why would it disbelieve us. >> Tha

Re: Questions about the Equivalence Principle (EP) and GR

2019-02-22 Thread Brent Meeker
On 2/21/2019 10:47 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 8:38:12 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/21/2019 4:05 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 1:35:17 PM UTC-7, Brent wrote: On 2/21/2019 5:27 AM,

Re: Recommend this article, Even just for the Wheeler quote near the end

2019-02-22 Thread Lawrence Crowell
This sounds almost tautological. I have not read Masanes' paper, but he seems to be saying the Born rule is a matter of pure logic. In some ways that is what Born said. The Born rule is not hard to understand. If you have a state space with vectors |u_i> then a quantum state can be written as

Re: Modal logic, consciousness, and matter

2019-02-22 Thread Philip Thrift
On Friday, February 22, 2019 at 3:57:49 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Feb 2019, at 20:26, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 8:23:15 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 18 Feb 2019, at 20:18, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> On Monday, February 18,

Re: Modal logic, consciousness, and matter

2019-02-22 Thread Bruno Marchal
> On 21 Feb 2019, at 20:26, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 8:23:15 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 18 Feb 2019, at 20:18, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 9:14:38 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >