Computational complexity of running the multiverse

2004-01-17 Thread Eric Hawthorne
Georges Quenot writes: I do not believe in either case that a simulation with this level of detail can be conducted on any computer that can be built in our universe (I mean a computer able to simulate a universe containing a smaller computer doing the calculation you considered with a

Re: Tegmark is too physics-centric

2004-01-17 Thread Hal Finney
Eric Hawthorne writes: 2. SAS's which are part of a 3+1 space may not have higher measure than SAS's in other spaces, but perhaps the SAS's in the other spaces wouldn't have a decent way to make a living. In other words, maybe they'd have a hard time perceiving the things in their space,

Re: Computational complexity of running the multiverse

2004-01-17 Thread Hal Finney
Eric Hawthorne writes: One of the issues is the computational complexity of running all the possible i.e. definable programs to create an informational multiverse out of which consistent, metric, regular, observable info-universes emerge. If computation takes energy (as it undeniably does

Re: Computational complexity of running the multiverse - errata

2004-01-17 Thread Eric Hawthorne
Eric Hawthorne wrote: So probably, the extra-universal notion of computing all the universe simulations is not traditional computation at all. I prefer to think of the state of affairs as being that the multiverse substrate is just kind of like a very large, passive qubitstring memory,

Re: Tegmark is too physics-centric

2004-01-17 Thread Eric Hawthorne
Kory Heath wrote: Tegmark goes into some detail on the problems with other than 3+1 dimensional space. Once again, I don't see how these problems apply to 4D CA. His arguments are extremely physics-centric ones having to do with what happens when you tweak quantum-mechanical or

Re: Tegmark is too physics-centric

2004-01-17 Thread CMR
I agree that this is what Tegmark is trying to say. If we look at it in terms of measure, there are (broadly speaking) two ways for creatures to exist: artificial or natural. By artificial I mean that there could be some incredibly complex combination of laws and initial conditions built

RE: Is the universe computable?

2004-01-17 Thread David Barrett-Lennard
Eugen said... I was using a specific natural number (a 512 bit integer) as an example for creation and destruction of a specific integer (an instance of a class of integers). No more, no less. That's plenty to bring out our difference of opinion. cf creation and destruction of a specific