Re: Physicists create virtual nonabelions for fault-tolerant quantum computers Inbox

2023-05-15 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List 
What we need are not the algorithms, but the ice-cold machinery, coupled with 
AI to make the quantum leap technologically. Quantum computing is said to kick 
large errors along with faster processing. 

Breakthrough in quantum error correction could lead to large-scale quantum 
computers
https://physicsworld.com/a/breakthrough-in-quantum-error-correction-could-lead-to-large-scale-quantum-computers/#:~:text=For%20practical%20large%2Dscale%20quantum,which%20is%20a%20big%20challenge.

If You Think AI Is Hot, Wait Until It Meets Quantum Computing
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sap/2023/03/21/if-you-think-ai-is-hot-wait-until-it-meets-quantum-computing/?sh=6b3e8c711ff6

And always the big, BOO! of course!
https://nypost.com/2023/04/12/how-quantum-computing-will-speed-up-the-age-of-ai/

Here's a thought for JC. What IF we soon, have server farms of quantum 
computers loaded with AI? All that cold, all that electrical power required, 
not bloody likely! But if, and your New Testament is accurate? Jesus then 
"descends from the clouds," meaning, cloud computing. Then, via QC+ AI & The 
Resurrection happens? 
Whatd'ya say?
Me Luv Quantum Woo! (I really do!). woo-woo-woo-woo!! -Curley Joe, Stooge. 



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On Sun, May 14, 2023 at 3:18 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:


 
>>ME: Any calculation involving quantum mechanics could be done billions or 
>>trillions of times faster on a quantum computer. It's easy to calculate the 
>>light spectrum of hydrogen, the simplest element, but doing the same thing 
>>for helium the second simplest , requires months of calculations on the 
>>largest supercomputer on earth, and the sun will turn into a red giant before 
>>such a computer could calculate the spectrum of one of the heavier elements. 
>>And trying to figure out what spectrum molecules will produce is even more 
>>difficult.
 
 > Yes, some things are faster to measure than to calculate.  And I note that 
 > recently a classical algorithm was found for folding of proteins (which was 
 > formerly touted as THE application for quantum computation): 

True. We have quantum algorithms that can solve problems much faster than any 
known classical algorithm, however nobody has been able to prove that there is 
not a classical algorithm that can solve any problem just as fast as the 
quantum variety that we just haven't found yet. The reason we haven't been able 
to prove that is because nobody has been able to prove that P≠ NP even though 
nearly every mathematician alive believes that nondeterministic polynomial 
problems (problems that are hard to calculate but easy to check) can NOT be 
solved in polynomial time (problems with N elements in which the time required 
to solve increases as N gets larger as X^N, not  N^X). The P=NP question is 
perhaps the greatest unsolved problem in all of mathematics; if despite 
everybody's expectations it turns out that P really is equal to NP and if the 
algorithm could be found then it's true, you wouldn't need quantum computers, 
the conventional variety would work just as well. I could be wrong but I don't 
expect that to happen.  

 John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
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 Brent
 
 On 5/13/2023 2:58 PM, John Clark wrote:
  
   On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 5:14 PM Lawrence Crowell 
 wrote:


> Curious, for a part of my discussions with GPT-4 involve the relationship 
> between anyons and a lattice form of supersymmetry. Nonabelions can then act 
> as a sort of supersymmetric protection of quantum states.
    If this can be made practical then this new development will be a very big 
deal, in fact about as big a deal as deals get. And as far as I can tell there 
are no scientific roadblocks, just engineering difficulties. They're virtual 2D 
Nonabelions not real ones but as far as making a topological quantum computer 
is concerned that distinction is not very important. John K Clark    See what's 
on my new list at  Extropolis naa
  
  
 
 
   On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 1:58:03 PM UTC-5 John Clark wrote:
  
   As if all the news about GPT-4 were not enough, this is an article from the 
journal Nature that that went online yesterday: 
  
  Physicists create virtual nonabelions for fault-tolerant quantum computers
  
  It's about a preprint that just went online; they claim "unambiguous 
realization of non-Abelian topological order and demonstrate control over 
them". Technically they're virtual Anyons not real ones, but from the 
perspective of an engineer trying to make a Fault Tolerant Quantum Computer the 
difference between real and virtual is not important:  
  Creation of Non-Abelian Topological Order and Anyons on a Trapped-Ion 
Processor

Re: Physicists create virtual nonabelions for fault-tolerant quantum computers Inbox

2023-05-15 Thread John Clark 
On Sun, May 14, 2023 at 3:18 PM Brent Meeker  wrote:

>>ME: Any calculation involving quantum mechanics could be done billions or
>> trillions of times faster on a quantum computer. It's easy to calculate the
>> light spectrum of hydrogen, the simplest element, but doing the same thing
>> for helium the second simplest , requires months of calculations on the
>> largest supercomputer on earth, and the sun will turn into a red giant
>> before such a computer could calculate the spectrum of one of the heavier
>> elements. And trying to figure out what spectrum molecules will produce is
>> even more difficult.
>
>
> > *Yes, some things are faster to measure than to calculate.  And I note
> that recently a classical algorithm was found for folding of proteins
> (which was formerly touted as THE application for quantum computation): *
>

True. We have quantum algorithms that can solve problems much faster than
any known classical algorithm, however nobody has been able to prove that
there is not a classical algorithm that can solve any problem just as fast
as the quantum variety that we just haven't found yet. The reason we
haven't been able to prove that is because nobody has been able to prove
that P≠ NP even though nearly every mathematician alive believes that
nondeterministic polynomial problems (problems that are hard to calculate
but easy to check) can *NOT* be solved in polynomial time (problems with N
elements in which the time required to solve increases as N gets larger as
X^N, not  N^X). The P=NP question is perhaps the greatest unsolved problem
in all of mathematics; if despite everybody's expectations it turns out
that P really is equal to NP and if the algorithm could be found then it's
true, you wouldn't need quantum computers, the conventional variety would
work just as well. I could be wrong but I don't expect that to happen.

 John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

yum

w3x
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Brent
>>
>> On 5/13/2023 2:58 PM, John Clark wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 5:14 PM Lawrence Crowell <
>> goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> *> Curious, for a part of my discussions with GPT-4 involve the
>>> relationship between anyons and a lattice form of supersymmetry.
>>> Nonabelions can then act as a sort of supersymmetric protection of quantum
>>> states.*
>>
>>
>> If this can be made practical then this new development will be a very
>> big deal, in fact about as big a deal as deals get. And as far as I can
>> tell there are no scientific roadblocks, just engineering difficulties.
>> They're virtual 2D Nonabelions not real ones but as far as making a
>> topological quantum computer is concerned that distinction is not very
>> important.
>> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis
>> 
>> naa
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 1:58:03 PM UTC-5 John Clark wrote:
>>>
 As if all the news about GPT-4 were not enough, this is an article
 from the journal Nature that that went online yesterday:

 Physicists create virtual nonabelions for fault-tolerant quantum
 computers
 

 It's about a preprint that just went online; they claim "*unambiguous
 realization of non-Abelian topological order and demonstrate control over
 them*". Technically they're virtual Anyons not real ones, but from the
 perspective of an engineer trying to make a Fault Tolerant Quantum Computer
 the difference between real and virtual is not important:

 Creation of Non-Abelian Topological Order and Anyons on a Trapped-Ion
 Processor 




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Re: Physicists create virtual nonabelions for fault-tolerant quantum computers Inbox

2023-05-14 Thread Brent Meeker 



On 5/14/2023 4:41 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 8:12 PM Brent Meeker  
wrote:


/> It won't be a big deal because, so far, quantum computers have
only a very small domain where they are superior. And even if they
were a million times faster across the board, it's not clear how
that would change things? What practical problems are there that
would go from usoluble to  soluble by computers being a million
times faster?/


Any calculation involving quantum mechanics could be done billions or 
trillions of times faster on a quantum computer. It's easy to 
calculate the light spectrum of hydrogen, the simplest element, but 
doing the same thing for helium the second simplest , requires months 
of calculations on the largest supercomputer on earth, and the sun 
will turn into a red giant before such a computer could calculate the 
spectrum of one of the heavier elements. And trying to figure out what 
spectrum molecules will produce is even more difficult.


Yes, some things are faster to measure than to calculate.  And I note 
that recently a classical algorithm was found for folding of proteins 
(which was formerly touted as THE application for quantum computation):




And  suppose you have an old-fashioned telephone book for Manhattan 
that has 1 million entries in it and you had a telephone number but no 
name to go with it.  If you use a classical algorithm to find the name 
that matches that number it would take you on average 500 thousand 
steps before you found the match, but if you used Grover's quantum 
algorithm then it would only take you the square root of a million 
steps, just one thousand steps not 500thousand. And when quantum 
computers become available for hackers to play with I have no doubt 
they will find many more useful algorithms.


John K Clark    See what's on my new list at Extropolis 


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Brent

On 5/13/2023 2:58 PM, John Clark wrote:

On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 5:14 PM Lawrence Crowell
 wrote:

/> Curious, for a part of my discussions with GPT-4 involve
the relationship between anyons and a lattice form of
supersymmetry. Nonabelions can then act as a sort of
supersymmetric protection of quantum states./

If this can be made practical then this new development will be a
very big deal, in fact about as big a dealas deals get. And as
far as I can tell there are no scientific roadblocks, just
engineering difficulties. They're virtual 2D Nonabelions not real
ones but as far as making a topological quantum computer is
concerned that distinction is not very important.
John K Clark    See what's on my new list at Extropolis

naa



On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 1:58:03 PM UTC-5 John Clark wrote:

As if all the news aboutGPT-4 were not enough, this is an
article from the journal Nature that that went online
yesterday:

Physicists create virtual nonabelions for fault-tolerant
quantum computers



It's about a preprint that just went online; they claim
"/unambiguous realization of non-Abelian topological
order and demonstrate control over them/". Technically
they're virtual Anyons not real ones, but from the
perspective of an engineer trying to make a Fault
Tolerant Quantum Computer the difference between real and
virtual is not important:

Creation of Non-Abelian Topological Order and Anyons on a
Trapped-Ion Processor 



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Re: Physicists create virtual nonabelions for fault-tolerant quantum computers Inbox

2023-05-13 Thread Lawrence Crowell 
On Saturday, May 13, 2023 at 4:59:38 PM UTC-5 John Clark wrote:

On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 5:14 PM Lawrence Crowell  
wrote:

*> Curious, for a part of my discussions with GPT-4 involve the 
relationship between anyons and a lattice form of supersymmetry. 
Nonabelions can then act as a sort of supersymmetric protection of quantum 
states.*

 
If this can be made practical then this new development will be a very big 
deal, in fact about as big a deal as deals get. And as far as I can tell 
there are no scientific roadblocks, just engineering difficulties. They're 
virtual 2D Nonabelions not real ones but as far as making a topological 
quantum computer is concerned that distinction is not very important.
John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 

naa


This is a part of the topological order of quantum states. The nonabelion, 
a state isomorphic to an elementary supersymmetric state, acts as a 
symmetry protecting symmetry of states against quantum noise.

LC

 





On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 1:58:03 PM UTC-5 John Clark wrote:

As if all the news about GPT-4 were not enough, this is an article from the 
journal Nature that that went online yesterday: 

Physicists create virtual nonabelions for fault-tolerant quantum computers 


It's about a preprint that just went online; they claim "*unambiguous 
realization of non-Abelian topological order and demonstrate control over 
them*". Technically they're virtual Anyons not real ones, but from the 
perspective of an engineer trying to make a Fault Tolerant Quantum Computer 
the difference between real and virtual is not important: 

Creation of Non-Abelian Topological Order and Anyons on a Trapped-Ion 
Processor 



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2023-05-13 Thread John Clark 
On Sat, May 13, 2023 at 5:14 PM Lawrence Crowell <
goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> wrote:

*> Curious, for a part of my discussions with GPT-4 involve the
> relationship between anyons and a lattice form of supersymmetry.
> Nonabelions can then act as a sort of supersymmetric protection of quantum
> states.*


If this can be made practical then this new development will be a very big
deal, in fact about as big a deal as deals get. And as far as I can tell
there are no scientific roadblocks, just engineering difficulties. They're
virtual 2D Nonabelions not real ones but as far as making a topological
quantum computer is concerned that distinction is not very important.
John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

naa


>
> On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 1:58:03 PM UTC-5 John Clark wrote:
>
>> As if all the news about GPT-4 were not enough, this is an article from
>> the journal Nature that that went online yesterday:
>>
>> Physicists create virtual nonabelions for fault-tolerant quantum computers
>> 
>>
>> It's about a preprint that just went online; they claim "*unambiguous
>> realization of non-Abelian topological order and demonstrate control over
>> them*". Technically they're virtual Anyons not real ones, but from the
>> perspective of an engineer trying to make a Fault Tolerant Quantum Computer
>> the difference between real and virtual is not important:
>>
>> Creation of Non-Abelian Topological Order and Anyons on a Trapped-Ion
>> Processor 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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2023-05-13 Thread Lawrence Crowell 
Curious, for a part of my discussions with GPT-4 involve the relationship 
between anyons and a lattice form of supersymmetry. Nonabelions can then 
act as a sort of supersymmetric protection of quantum states.

LC

On Wednesday, May 10, 2023 at 1:58:03 PM UTC-5 John Clark wrote:

> As if all the news about GPT-4 were not enough, this is an article from 
> the journal Nature that that went online yesterday: 
>
> Physicists create virtual nonabelions for fault-tolerant quantum computers 
> 
>
> It's about a preprint that just went online; they claim "*unambiguous 
> realization of non-Abelian topological order and demonstrate control over 
> them*". Technically they're virtual Anyons not real ones, but from the 
> perspective of an engineer trying to make a Fault Tolerant Quantum Computer 
> the difference between real and virtual is not important: 
>
> Creation of Non-Abelian Topological Order and Anyons on a Trapped-Ion 
> Processor 
>
> John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis 
> 
> u63
>
>

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Physicists create virtual nonabelions for fault-tolerant quantum computers Inbox

2023-05-10 Thread John Clark 
As if all the news about GPT-4 were not enough, this is an article from the
journal Nature that that went online yesterday:

Physicists create virtual nonabelions for fault-tolerant quantum computers


It's about a preprint that just went online; they claim "*unambiguous
realization of non-Abelian topological order and demonstrate control over
them*". Technically they're virtual Anyons not real ones, but from the
perspective of an engineer trying to make a Fault Tolerant Quantum Computer
the difference between real and virtual is not important:

Creation of Non-Abelian Topological Order and Anyons on a Trapped-Ion
Processor 

John K ClarkSee what's on my new list at  Extropolis

u63

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