Re: [Evolution] Recovering cached mail

2007-02-09 Thread Andrew Montalenti
Mbox files are defined as rfc822 mail messages split by a blank line and
a line starting with From_, which is F, r, o, m and a space.

It's possible some of the lines in your mbox file don't follow this
convention, and maybe that's why Evolution is having a hard time parsing
it.

For example, I know many times messages have a From:_ line, rather than
a From_ line.  The colon matters.  So you may have to do some manual
replacements, e.g. in vim you can do :%s/^From: /From /g.

I hope that helps.  From some quick googling there are some scripts that
do guesses like this on the web.  You can look for Maildir to mbox
conversion.

Andrew 

On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 14:44 +1100, James McCaw wrote:
 That is the first thing I tried, except I didn't have the spaces
 between the concatenated files...I'll give it a shot...
 
 Unfortunately it doesn't seem to work. The file command claims my
 concatenated file is indeed RFC 822 mail text, but when dumped into
 ~/.evolution/mail/local it doesn't show up in evolution (a directory
 appears but it doesn't have any emails in it).
 
 file run on files in ~/.evolution/mail/local indicates that they are
 ISO-8859 mail text, with very long lines so the question is now: How
 does one (easily!) convert an RFC 822 file to the appropriate
 evolution local directory format?
 
 Thanks for your input Andrew.
 
 Cheers
 James
 
 On 09/02/07, Andrew Montalenti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If those really are rfc822 mail files, you could probably just
  concatenate them together (which would produce an mbox file) and copy
  the mbox file to ~/.evolution/mail/local/.
 
  Something like:
 
  cd ~/.evolution/mail/exchange/acct/personal/sub/folders/Saved\ Items/
  cat * cache-mbox
  mv cache-mbox ~/.evolution/mail/local/
 
  It's possible that the rfc822 files do not end with a blank line.  If
  that's so, the above may not work (mbox files are rfc822 messages
  separated by blank lines).
 
  When the cache-mbox file is in the evolution local mail directory,
  restarting evolution should get it to show up in your folder list.
 
  HTH, I am not an evolution expert (just user),
  Andrew
 
  On Wed, 2007-02-07 at 18:40 +1100, James McCaw wrote:
   Hi evolution mailing list
  
   Today I accidently deleted some mail (only about 30 messages) from an
   exchange server account. I discovered I have a locally cached copy in
   the directory ~/.evolution/mail/exchange/account name/personal/sub
   folders/Saved Items/
  
   In that directory there are two binary files cmeta and summary and
   a directory cache (with subdirs full of the RFC 822 mail files). I
   can confirm that the 30 missing messages are there by examing the
   files in cache one by one.
  
   Unfortunately I can't find a way to recover those files or import them
   back into evolution. The File-Import dialog doesn't allow me to
   import those files.
  
   Any tips? Thanks in advance for any replies.
  
   Cheers
   James
  
 
 
 
 

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[Evolution] sort by date and group by threads

2007-02-09 Thread Nicolas Bock
Hello list,

I sort my INBOX by date and group messages by thread. A new message
which is not part of a thread gets placed as expected at the bottom of
the message list. However, a new message which is part of a thread gets
placed into the thread, and the thread does not move to the bottom of
the message list. The whole thread is placed into the message list
according to its first message and not its most recent one. Is there any
way to change this?

Thanks already, nick

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Re: [Evolution] sort by date and group by threads

2007-02-09 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 07:32 -0700, Nicolas Bock wrote:
 Hello list,
 
 I sort my INBOX by date and group messages by thread. A new message
 which is not part of a thread gets placed as expected at the bottom of
 the message list. However, a new message which is part of a thread
 gets placed into the thread, and the thread does not move to the
 bottom of the message list. The whole thread is placed into the
 message list according to its first message and not its most recent
 one. Is there any way to change this?

Oh God, yes please.

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[Evolution] Evolution Calendar and DST 2007

2007-02-09 Thread Matt Kozak
Sorry if this is obtuse or has been covered before I joined, but we are
rolling out Evolution on our new lab systems (Linux/PC dual-boot).
I am wondering if it has any issues with (or patch for) the new DST rules 
or if it solely uses the system time, unlike Outlook:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102086071033.aspx

Thanks,
-Matt


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[Evolution] Search boxes and UI meddling

2007-02-09 Thread Andrew Montalenti
Hi,

I've been an Evolution user for a long time.  The main reason I use
Evolution is for its search/indexing features, since I have huge mail
boxes and like to be able to search through them quickly.

In recent versions of Evolution (I guess beyond 2.7, I'm using 2.8.1)
the Search Box at the top of the message view was redesigned.  I think
this redesign was actually a step backward, and would like to know if
other people have raised this concern.

Aside from the silliness that the box is just too small, I don't
understand why it seems to make sense to have a click on the tiny icon
of a magnifying glass change in what part of a message you are
searching, and to click a paint brush to clear the message (you may tell
me that's a broom, but at that size, it's a paint brush).  When I am
searching within a message, I don't even know I am because the gray text
for Message contains only appears when my search query is empty.
Considering these searches are sticky to the folder I'm in, I may very
well return back to a folder I previously searched for dinner and not
know whether I search the subject/sender or the message itself, unless I
click that silly magnifying glass again.

I also don't get why the Show pull down exists.  I think it would make
more sense if that Show pull down showed _your_ saved searches, rather
than some hard coded ones some other developer thought I'd find useful.
I don't even use labels (and why should I, Evolution doesn't even let me
customize them), but even so in the Show menu I have not one but six
options related to labels.  Likewise, I don't use Evolution's built-in
Junk mail filtering (I use spam assassin externally since for some
reason it's much faster that way), and have another wasted option there
for Messages Not Junk.  Less than half the options are therefore even
usable by me, but I can't get rid of them and what's even more
frustrating is that any of them could be emulated by a Saved Search,
which _don't_ show up there.

Does anyone else agree with me as to the silliness of these UI
redesigns?  I hate to be a whiner and if I had more than a few moments
I'd scratch the itches myself, but I really would like to know what
inspired these steps backward, and see if there is any agreement about
undoing them.

Andrew

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Re: [Evolution] Search boxes and UI meddling

2007-02-09 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
Totally agree. I'm nervous every time I search. Should I use the Search
menu, or the Search box? Do they do the same thing or not? What about
Advanced Search? Is it going to make me give a name to save the search
or can I use it just once? etc. etc.

The whole thing needs to be rethought IMHO.

BTW, I didn't even realize the little magnifying glass was clickable!
Its location makes it functionally invisible and it lacks what the CHI
people call affordance.

poc

On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 10:54 -0500, Andrew Montalenti wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I've been an Evolution user for a long time.  The main reason I use
 Evolution is for its search/indexing features, since I have huge mail
 boxes and like to be able to search through them quickly.
 
 In recent versions of Evolution (I guess beyond 2.7, I'm using 2.8.1)
 the Search Box at the top of the message view was redesigned.  I think
 this redesign was actually a step backward, and would like to know if
 other people have raised this concern.
 
 Aside from the silliness that the box is just too small, I don't
 understand why it seems to make sense to have a click on the tiny icon
 of a magnifying glass change in what part of a message you are
 searching, and to click a paint brush to clear the message (you may tell
 me that's a broom, but at that size, it's a paint brush).  When I am
 searching within a message, I don't even know I am because the gray text
 for Message contains only appears when my search query is empty.
 Considering these searches are sticky to the folder I'm in, I may very
 well return back to a folder I previously searched for dinner and not
 know whether I search the subject/sender or the message itself, unless I
 click that silly magnifying glass again.
 
 I also don't get why the Show pull down exists.  I think it would make
 more sense if that Show pull down showed _your_ saved searches, rather
 than some hard coded ones some other developer thought I'd find useful.
 I don't even use labels (and why should I, Evolution doesn't even let me
 customize them), but even so in the Show menu I have not one but six
 options related to labels.  Likewise, I don't use Evolution's built-in
 Junk mail filtering (I use spam assassin externally since for some
 reason it's much faster that way), and have another wasted option there
 for Messages Not Junk.  Less than half the options are therefore even
 usable by me, but I can't get rid of them and what's even more
 frustrating is that any of them could be emulated by a Saved Search,
 which _don't_ show up there.
 
 Does anyone else agree with me as to the silliness of these UI
 redesigns?  I hate to be a whiner and if I had more than a few moments
 I'd scratch the itches myself, but I really would like to know what
 inspired these steps backward, and see if there is any agreement about
 undoing them.
 
 Andrew
 
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Re: [Evolution] Evolution Calendar and DST 2007

2007-02-09 Thread Ritesh Khadgaray
Heya,

On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 10:54 -0500, Matt Kozak wrote:
 Sorry if this is obtuse or has been covered before I joined, but we are
 rolling out Evolution on our new lab systems (Linux/PC dual-boot).
 I am wondering if it has any issues with (or patch for) the new DST rules 
 or if it solely uses the system time, unlike Outlook:
 http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102086071033.aspx

This is managed by OS tzdata/glibc packages and not evolution , afaik.


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Re: [Evolution] Evolution Calendar and DST 2007

2007-02-09 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 22:28 +0530, Ritesh Khadgaray wrote:
 Heya,
 
 On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 10:54 -0500, Matt Kozak wrote:
  Sorry if this is obtuse or has been covered before I joined, but we are
  rolling out Evolution on our new lab systems (Linux/PC dual-boot).
  I am wondering if it has any issues with (or patch for) the new DST rules 
  or if it solely uses the system time, unlike Outlook:
  http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102086071033.aspx
 
 This is managed by OS tzdata/glibc packages and not evolution , afaik.

A question comes to mind: does it mean some appointments in the past
will change local time ?

Xav


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Re: [Evolution] Evolution Calendar and DST 2007

2007-02-09 Thread Matthew Barnes
On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 22:28 +0530, Ritesh Khadgaray wrote:
 On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 10:54 -0500, Matt Kozak wrote:
  Sorry if this is obtuse or has been covered before I joined, but we are
  rolling out Evolution on our new lab systems (Linux/PC dual-boot).
  I am wondering if it has any issues with (or patch for) the new DST rules 
  or if it solely uses the system time, unlike Outlook:
  http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102086071033.aspx
 
 This is managed by OS tzdata/glibc packages and not evolution , afaik.

Unfortunately, libical (an unmaintained third-party library that's
distributed with Evolution-Data-Server) does use it's own timezone
information.

See: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301363

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Re: [Evolution] Small Icons / Icons Only

2007-02-09 Thread Calum Benson
On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 15:31 -0500, Matthew Barnes wrote:
 On Thu, 2007-01-25 at 11:39 -0700, Aaron Segura wrote:
  I've tried searching the list archives and documentation, but can't find
  out how to do what I want.
  
  Using Evolution 2.6.1, is there a way to change the toolbar icons so
  they are smaller and don't contain text?  Like when you right-click on
  the Firefox toolbar, click customize, then are able to select Use small
  Icons and Show: Icons?
 
 Yes, but this is a desktop-wide setting.  It will affect all your
 applications.

(This is why the HIG suggests this setting be over-ridable in individual
applications, but I guess Evo isn't there yet...)

Cheeri,
Calum.

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Re: [Evolution] Search boxes and UI meddling

2007-02-09 Thread Calum Benson
On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 12:45 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

 BTW, I didn't even realize the little magnifying glass was clickable!
 Its location makes it functionally invisible and it lacks what the CHI
 people call affordance.

FWIW, I filed a bug a few months ago to have a downward arrow added to
the icon, to make it more obvious that it offered some menu items (aka
make it look more like Spotlight search on the Mac).  I'd agree
there's certainly scope for grander improvements, though.

Cheeri,
Calum.

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Re: [Evolution] sort by date and group by threads

2007-02-09 Thread Srinivasa Ragavan
In 2.8.x onwards, if the thread is collapsed, the date of the thread is
considered to be the date of the most recent message in the thread. But
if it is expanded, it doesnt follow this. You can collapse all threads
(View-Collapse All Threads) may be once in a while to know, if any new
messages popped to the old threads.

-Srini

On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 07:32 -0700, Nicolas Bock wrote:
 Hello list,
 
 I sort my INBOX by date and group messages by thread. A new message
 which is not part of a thread gets placed as expected at the bottom of
 the message list. However, a new message which is part of a thread
 gets placed into the thread, and the thread does not move to the
 bottom of the message list. The whole thread is placed into the
 message list according to its first message and not its most recent
 one. Is there any way to change this?
 
 Thanks already, nick
 
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Re: [Evolution] Search boxes and UI meddling

2007-02-09 Thread Andrew Montalenti
Hi,

On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 12:45 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 Totally agree. I'm nervous every time I search. Should I use the Search
 menu, or the Search box? Do they do the same thing or not? What about
 Advanced Search? Is it going to make me give a name to save the search
 or can I use it just once? etc. etc.

Even more interesting is that I'm experiencing a bug since I upgraded.
If I do use a saved search from Search - 1. My Saved Search, it doesn't
actually get applied unless I go into the search box, press enter so
that the Advanced Search dialog comes up with my saved search, and then
press OK.  How annoying.  Will file a bug about this when I get a
moment, don't know if it has to do with some stale state in
my .evolution folder.

 The whole thing needs to be rethought IMHO.

I think the whole thing needs to be REALLY rethought.

Evo's mailer has some real design innovations, but at the core of an
e-mail application is search.  E-mail applications need to have two main
use cases in mind:

1. Receiving and reading NEW mail (which Evo does decently well, but
still not optimally)
2. Searching OLD mail (which Evo used to do exceptionally well, but now
does abysmally)

I want a mailer with great search capabilities, so I can track down that
JetBlue receipt for a flight I booked three months ago, or find an
e-mail my friend sent me 6 months ago but that I never got around to
replying to.

I would also really push for some standard query language capabilities
in Evo.  I'd like to be able to type unread messages containing
'Andrew' in a search box (with shortcuts, like unread contain
'Andrew'), rather than having to create a search called Unread,
creating the message is unread condition, and then filtering those
based on message contains 'Andrew'.  Sometimes, a GUI isn't the most
usable UI.

Evo also needs to get more keyboard friendly.  What happened to our UNIX
roots?

 BTW, I didn't even realize the little magnifying glass was clickable!
 Its location makes it functionally invisible and it lacks what the CHI
 people call affordance.

Evo gets affordance better than most other applications for most things.
But this search box redesign definitely ruins affordance, as you say.

I know Evo's designers/hackers don't like to see themselves in
competition with Gmail, but... we really need to start looking at what
works.

Andrew

 On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 10:54 -0500, Andrew Montalenti wrote:
  Hi,
  
  I've been an Evolution user for a long time.  The main reason I use
  Evolution is for its search/indexing features, since I have huge mail
  boxes and like to be able to search through them quickly.
  
  In recent versions of Evolution (I guess beyond 2.7, I'm using 2.8.1)
  the Search Box at the top of the message view was redesigned.  I think
  this redesign was actually a step backward, and would like to know if
  other people have raised this concern.
  
  Aside from the silliness that the box is just too small, I don't
  understand why it seems to make sense to have a click on the tiny icon
  of a magnifying glass change in what part of a message you are
  searching, and to click a paint brush to clear the message (you may tell
  me that's a broom, but at that size, it's a paint brush).  When I am
  searching within a message, I don't even know I am because the gray text
  for Message contains only appears when my search query is empty.
  Considering these searches are sticky to the folder I'm in, I may very
  well return back to a folder I previously searched for dinner and not
  know whether I search the subject/sender or the message itself, unless I
  click that silly magnifying glass again.
  
  I also don't get why the Show pull down exists.  I think it would make
  more sense if that Show pull down showed _your_ saved searches, rather
  than some hard coded ones some other developer thought I'd find useful.
  I don't even use labels (and why should I, Evolution doesn't even let me
  customize them), but even so in the Show menu I have not one but six
  options related to labels.  Likewise, I don't use Evolution's built-in
  Junk mail filtering (I use spam assassin externally since for some
  reason it's much faster that way), and have another wasted option there
  for Messages Not Junk.  Less than half the options are therefore even
  usable by me, but I can't get rid of them and what's even more
  frustrating is that any of them could be emulated by a Saved Search,
  which _don't_ show up there.
  
  Does anyone else agree with me as to the silliness of these UI
  redesigns?  I hate to be a whiner and if I had more than a few moments
  I'd scratch the itches myself, but I really would like to know what
  inspired these steps backward, and see if there is any agreement about
  undoing them.
  
  Andrew
  
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Re: [Evolution] Search boxes and UI meddling

2007-02-09 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 17:17 +, Calum Benson wrote:
 On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 12:45 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 
  BTW, I didn't even realize the little magnifying glass was clickable!
  Its location makes it functionally invisible and it lacks what the CHI
  people call affordance.
 
 FWIW, I filed a bug a few months ago to have a downward arrow added to
 the icon, to make it more obvious that it offered some menu items (aka
 make it look more like Spotlight search on the Mac).  I'd agree
 there's certainly scope for grander improvements, though.

IMHO, the very idea of having a clickable icon *inside* a text entry box
makes me squirm. It's just wrong wrong wrong. An icon in a text box
looks like a label or type indicator, not something operational.

poc

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Re: [Evolution] Search boxes and UI meddling

2007-02-09 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 13:50 -0500, Andrew Montalenti wrote:
 I know Evo's designers/hackers don't like to see themselves in
 competition with Gmail, but... we really need to start looking at what
 works.

Thunderbird is closer to Evo in philosophy than Gmail is, and many of
its interface decisions seem better thought out than Evo's. Its Junk
controls also work a lot better, but that's another topic.

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Re: [Evolution] sort by date and group by threads

2007-02-09 Thread Nicolas Bock
I would prefer if it would also sort the uncollapsed threads as well
though. Do you know whether this is going to be implemented at some
point? Should I open a bug report?

nick


On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 23:40 +0530, Srinivasa Ragavan wrote:

 In 2.8.x onwards, if the thread is collapsed, the date of the thread is
 considered to be the date of the most recent message in the thread. But
 if it is expanded, it doesnt follow this. You can collapse all threads
 (View-Collapse All Threads) may be once in a while to know, if any new
 messages popped to the old threads.
 
 -Srini
 
 On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 07:32 -0700, Nicolas Bock wrote:
  Hello list,
  
  I sort my INBOX by date and group messages by thread. A new message
  which is not part of a thread gets placed as expected at the bottom of
  the message list. However, a new message which is part of a thread
  gets placed into the thread, and the thread does not move to the
  bottom of the message list. The whole thread is placed into the
  message list according to its first message and not its most recent
  one. Is there any way to change this?
  
  Thanks already, nick
  
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Re: [Evolution] sort by date and group by threads

2007-02-09 Thread Reid Thompson
On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 12:10 -0700, Nicolas Bock wrote:
 I would prefer if it would also sort the uncollapsed threads as well
 though. Do you know whether this is going to be implemented at some
 point? Should I open a bug report?
 
 nick
 
 
I second this...
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Re: [Evolution] Search boxes and UI meddling

2007-02-09 Thread Andrew Montalenti
On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 15:01 -0400, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
 IMHO, the very idea of having a clickable icon *inside* a text entry box
 makes me squirm. It's just wrong wrong wrong. An icon in a text box
 looks like a label or type indicator, not something operational.

Lucky for us, we have not one but _two_ operational icons in the same
text box :-)

Andrew

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Re: [Evolution] sort by date and group by threads

2007-02-09 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 14:15 -0500, Reid Thompson wrote:

And I third it and I am sure there are forty-eleven people behind me.

But seriously, the hard work has been done if a collapsed thread will
sort by the newest message in it surely.  It sounds like the treatment
of expanded threads is more policy and not technology.

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Re: [Evolution] Evolution Calendar and DST 2007

2007-02-09 Thread Matt Kozak
Hmmm.
Is this on anyone's radar or is there any talk of doing something about it 
in Evolution if the libical group is still wrestling with it (I see a lot 
of confusion on that bug link, but no committed resoolution, but maybe 
it's just late on a Friday...)?

Thanks,
-Matt


On Fri, 9 Feb 2007, Matthew Barnes wrote:

 On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 22:28 +0530, Ritesh Khadgaray wrote:
 On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 10:54 -0500, Matt Kozak wrote:
 Sorry if this is obtuse or has been covered before I joined, but we are
 rolling out Evolution on our new lab systems (Linux/PC dual-boot).
 I am wondering if it has any issues with (or patch for) the new DST rules
 or if it solely uses the system time, unlike Outlook:
 http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/outlook/HA102086071033.aspx

 This is managed by OS tzdata/glibc packages and not evolution , afaik.

 Unfortunately, libical (an unmaintained third-party library that's
 distributed with Evolution-Data-Server) does use it's own timezone
 information.

 See: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=301363

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[Evolution] 2.8.x does not save appointments on Exchange server

2007-02-09 Thread Per Nystrom
Hi,

I'm wondering if I'm the only one having this problem.  When I create an
appointment on an Exchange Calendar through Evolution, it appears
locally in the Evolution calendar view until I quit Evolution.  Then
it's gone.  At no time is it ever actually published on the Exchange
server, and I missed a few appointments after upgrading to 2.8.x until I
discovered that this was happening.  There are two bugs open for this
issue that I know of:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=225372
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=394473

The bug in bugzilla.gnome.org has been open for a month without any
action, and I'm wondering if this just isn't affecting anyone else?

Here's what Evolution spits out in the terminal I run it from when I
make an appointment on the exchange calendar:

(evolution:27791): libecal-WARNING **: e-cal.c:321: Unexpected response

(evolution:27791): libecal-WARNING **: e-cal.c:321: Unexpected response

(evolution:27791): calendar-gui-CRITICAL **: e_day_view_add_event: assertion
`end  add_event_data-day_view-lower' failed

(evolution:27791): calendar-gui-CRITICAL **: e_week_view_add_event: assertion
`end  add_event_data-week_view-day_starts[0]' failed

Any help is appreciated.  I'd like to stay on the 2.8.x release, but
having to use a browser and OWA every time I want to manipulate my
Exchange calendar is really a pain.


Thanks,
Per


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[Evolution] Evolution sometimes hides my emails

2007-02-09 Thread Alasdair McAndrew

For some reason, every now and again evolution (2.2.1) clears out my inbox,
presenting me with a blank space, where there should be lots of messages.
They have not been actually deleted (if I use MS web exchange, I'll get
them); it's just that evolution, for some reason, won't display them.

It does, however, display all messages received since hiding the others.
How do I get the others back?  They are there on the server, but for some
reason I can't access them.  Sometimes I can simply quit and restart
evolution, and there they all are again; other times if I quit evolution I
can't restart it (as I have mentioned in previous postings).  I have a nasty
idea that it is in fact a problem with glib/gtk2, and not with evolution
itself, but I don't know how to verify this, or to fix it.

Thanks,
Alasdair
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