Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-17 Thread Chenthill
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 11:07 +1100, Nick Jenkins wrote: latest roadmap (http://www.go-evolution.org/Evo2.26) concerns the planning for 2.26. That version was released more than 6 months ago, There's also: http://www.go-evolution.org/Evo2.28 and http://www.go-evolution.org/Evo2.30

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Tor Lillqvist
So here is my challenge to the evolution development team: I am sure the team is fully challenged already. You are directing your challenge at the wrong address. It would make more sense to challenge the team's employers (various Linux distros). It's they who decide what the team works on.

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 08:24 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 12:22 +0200, Tor Lillqvist wrote: So here is my challenge to the evolution development team: I am sure the team is fully challenged already. You are directing your challenge at the wrong address. It would

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 12:22 +0200, Tor Lillqvist wrote: I am sure the team is fully challenged already. I am sure they are. I just think their challenges are mis-focused for the time being, on features and not fixing the plethora of bugs out there. You are directing your challenge at the

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 08:13 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Maybe nobody else experiences this? I experience hangs (i.e. freezes) all of the time. I send in stack traces every time I do. They just don't lead to anything. I've not ever had Evolution hard-freeze that I can recall. How

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
I've not ever had Evolution hard-freeze that I can recall. How much of evolution do you use though? Single POP account or something. All day, every day, connected to multiple IMAP servers. Probably those of us experiencing such frequent deadlocks are using many of evolutions features.

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Xavier Bestel
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 08:37 -0500, Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 08:13 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Maybe nobody else experiences this? I experience hangs (i.e. freezes) all of the time. I send in stack traces every time I do. They just don't lead to anything.

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Pete Biggs
address books including LDAP Yep. Recently I had Evo freeze on me quite often - until I removed an LDAP address book and since then, not a single lockup. The freezes were when displaying mail and it turns out that the load images from people in address book (or whatever) was causing

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 08:13 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 08:24 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 12:22 +0200, Tor Lillqvist wrote: So here is my challenge to the evolution development team: I am sure the team is fully challenged already.

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Adam Tauno Williams
address books including LDAP Yep Recently I had Evo freeze on me quite often - until I removed an LDAP address book and since then, not a single lockup. The freezes were when displaying mail and it turns out that the load images from people in address book (or whatever) was causing

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 14:18 +, Pete Biggs wrote: Recently I had Evo freeze on me quite often - until I removed an LDAP address book and since then, not a single lockup. The freezes were when displaying mail and it turns out that the load images from people in address book (or whatever)

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 15:05 +0100, Xavier Bestel wrote: Just for the sake of completeness, did you try with the default GTK+ theme ? I am far from an expert in these areas, but I fail to see how a GTK+ theme has any relevance on Evolution hanging and deadlocking on non-gui issues.

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 10:02 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: In the case of free software the contribution may be money, or code, or documentation, or simply reporting bugs. Or effort to test patches, or supply more information to help those with code knowledge, which I am willing to do,

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 10:02 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I'd prefer they write and debug code. False dichotomy. It's one or the other. Oops. I meant to say It's *not* one or the other. poc ___ Evolution-list mailing list

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Ben Zaborowsky
Adam Tauno Williams wrote: And Evolution remains, as it has been for many years, THE premiere Open Source mail client and PIM. There is nothing else that comes close to the functionality and stability provided by Evolution. The closest is probably Thunderbird [known around the office as

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Matthew Barnes
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 08:24 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It would be nice to hear someone on the devel team say what the worst bugs are thought to be and explain what they propose to do about them. Unfortunately the various roadmaps, version by version, say nothing about prioritizing

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Chenthill
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 11:56 -0500, Matthew Barnes wrote: On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 08:24 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It would be nice to hear someone on the devel team say what the worst bugs are thought to be and explain what they propose to do about them. Unfortunately the various

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 11:56 -0500, Matthew Barnes wrote: This is a long-term vision. We'll continue fixing the symptoms that users report, but we also need to treat the disease that's at the heart of these bugs if Evolution is ever going to turn its reputation around. Thanks for your input

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 11:56 -0500, Matthew Barnes wrote: I would say that we are struggling in terms of manpower. Yes, that's sad, but a reality of our current economic (and probably other) situation(s). Certainly in answer to such a problem I am not advocating that the people left work more

Re: [Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-16 Thread Nick Jenkins
latest roadmap (http://www.go-evolution.org/Evo2.26) concerns the planning for 2.26. That version was released more than 6 months ago, There's also: http://www.go-evolution.org/Evo2.28 and http://www.go-evolution.org/Evo2.30 (although maybe there weren't previously links to those pages on

[Evolution] a challenge to the developers

2009-11-15 Thread Brian J. Murrell
I have filed I don't know how many bugs this weekend. Probably some are duplicates, but when you have to wade through 79 bugs matching a function in a frame in a stacktrace, it's just plain out of control. I am so frustrated with the many crashes of evolution I get a day and that every time I do