Re: [expert] is it possible for cracker to cover his track?

2003-11-08 Thread Dave Seff
Be very careful. Many people miss this bit of info: Check for installed RSA/DSA keys in any ssh accounts. Just because you change passwords doesn't mean you're safe. He/She may have a stray account that, if an RSA/DSA key was installed would give acces without password needed. -Dave On Fri,

Re: [expert] is it possible for cracker to cover his track?

2003-10-24 Thread James Sparenberg
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 22:02, Fajar Priyanto wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 24 October 2003 11:11 am, Jack Coates wrote: define good; there's not a lot of ways that don't involve hard feelings. Assuming that telling him it didn't working out and walking him

[expert] is it possible for cracker to cover his track?

2003-10-23 Thread Fajar Priyanto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, Is it possible to erase activities in the bash_history file without being known? And also in wtmp? How is it possible? Thanks - -- Fajar http://linux.arinet.org Linux mdk91.sistek.kom 2.4.21-0.13mdk GNU/Linux 14:18:02 up 6:31, 11 users,

Re: [expert] is it possible for cracker to cover his track?

2003-10-23 Thread KevinO
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Fajar Priyanto wrote: Dear all, Is it possible to erase activities in the bash_history file without being known? Sure: $ history -c $ vi ~/.bash_history And also in wtmp? Yes, just chmod the file(s) to make it writeable and modify it with an

Re: [expert] is it possible for cracker to cover his track?

2003-10-23 Thread Ricardo (Tru64 User)
Installing chkrootkit might be able to tell you when wtmp has something delete in it. I am saying might because there might be another way to cover that too. _Thanks Richard --- Fajar Priyanto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear all, Is it possible

Re: [expert] is it possible for cracker to cover his track?

2003-10-23 Thread Jack Coates
.bash_history is cake; just kill -9 your own session instead of using logout or exit. wtmp is harder, that'll involve editing the logfiles. BTW, ssh has its own access log so check that one too for inconsistencies with wtmp. On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 00:20, Fajar Priyanto wrote: -BEGIN PGP

Re: [expert] is it possible for cracker to cover his track?

2003-10-23 Thread Jack Coates
all of those will update the atime though, leading to getting caught. You need something sneakier to do it right :-/ Phrack and 2600 are full of nice little howtos for this sort of thing, some of which are intensely technical. On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 01:06, KevinO wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED

Re: [expert] is it possible for cracker to cover his track?

2003-10-23 Thread Jack Coates
tripwire would be even better, but the best thing of all is a modified version of Mandrake's own secure scripts setup (which is copied from Debian). This is the script that sends you nightly emails about differences in network ports, packages, c.? Well, make a copy that runs every five or ten

Re: [expert] is it possible for cracker to cover his track?

2003-10-23 Thread Fajar Priyanto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 23 October 2003 09:48 pm, Jack Coates wrote: .bash_history is cake; just kill -9 your own session instead of using logout or exit. wtmp is harder, that'll involve editing the logfiles. BTW, ssh has its own access log so check that one

Re: [expert] is it possible for cracker to cover his track?

2003-10-23 Thread James Sparenberg
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 17:58, Fajar Priyanto wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 23 October 2003 09:48 pm, Jack Coates wrote: .bash_history is cake; just kill -9 your own session instead of using logout or exit. wtmp is harder, that'll involve editing the

Re: [expert] is it possible for cracker to cover his track?

2003-10-23 Thread lorne
On Thursday 23 October 2003 05:58 pm, Fajar Priyanto wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 23 October 2003 09:48 pm, Jack Coates wrote: .bash_history is cake; just kill -9 your own session instead of using logout or exit. wtmp is harder, that'll involve editing

Re: [expert] is it possible for cracker to cover his track?

2003-10-23 Thread Jack Coates
On Thu, 2003-10-23 at 17:58, Fajar Priyanto wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 23 October 2003 09:48 pm, Jack Coates wrote: .bash_history is cake; just kill -9 your own session instead of using logout or exit. wtmp is harder, that'll involve editing the

Re: [expert] is it possible for cracker to cover his track?

2003-10-23 Thread J.C. Woods
Fajar Priyanto wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 23 October 2003 09:48 pm, Jack Coates wrote: .bash_history is cake; just kill -9 your own session instead of using logout or exit. wtmp is harder, that'll involve editing the logfiles. BTW, ssh has its own access

Re: [expert] is it possible for cracker to cover his track?

2003-10-23 Thread Fajar Priyanto
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 24 October 2003 11:11 am, Jack Coates wrote: define good; there's not a lot of ways that don't involve hard feelings. Assuming that telling him it didn't working out and walking him to the door isn't a possibility, your options are all